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Bryce, would you record some souns of your deep coins?
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Erik in NJ
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even buy u a ticket to come out here. I got laid off about a month or so ago and things have been nuts with the home construction and job stuff. I'll try and give you a call next week to catch up! 
Erik in NJ
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Thanks RB - great minds think alike! 
I know that something like this would have been a huge boost when I was just starting out and I think it might help me still if these sounds were recorded by an expert with the Explorer II or Explorer III (E-Trac).
I know that something like this would have been a huge boost when I was just starting out and I think it might help me still if these sounds were recorded by an expert with the Explorer II or Explorer III (E-Trac).Erik in NJ
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Eddie in Poulsbo
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Man.............. I sure wouldn't want to be in the same area as this guy!!!!! He obviously doesn't care about leaving a hinge on his plugs and he doesn't use a drop cloth to put the excess dirt on either. I'll bet there are dead grassy spots where his plugs were and it's guys like him that give those of us a bad name who actually care about how we leave a place that we have been detecting in. This guy certainly isn't showing anyone who watches his video the right way to dig a plug. Just my two cents worth.
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Eddie in Poulsbo
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You obviously know this guy who made the video. I guess what got me is that if someone is going to make a video for the whole world to see then maybe they should take more care when making a plug and using a drop cloth for the excess dirt. I haven't been detecting that long, but I do know the right way and the wrong way and the importance of being discreet as possible in leaving a place that you detect just as you found it. I'm not trying to beat a dead horse to death Digger and I'm sure that others noticed what I did in that video and didn't want to ruffle anyone's feathers. Like I said before, "just my two cents worth." After three months of going through chemotherapy and possibly beating the cancer tumor in my bladder I am very happy Digger and when my strength comes back I will go dig some coins like you suggested and be even more happier.
Eddie
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LaDigger
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Nothing personal eddie but there is waaayy too much drama on this forum, and I'm sure it keeps people with good info from posting because of all the flamethrowers here. I share the hobby my way , you do it your'es .God Bless. I wish you a speedy recovery, we are only humans after all is said and done...LaDigger
Respectfully in his defense, I cut horseshoe plugs that quite often fall apart when they come up. It's all dependent on the ground conditions and type of grass. You can see in that video that the grass roots are very shallow.
I also don't use a drop cloth but that's just because I haven't gotten around to putting one back in my car after losing them repeatedly. I do agree though that they do help to remove any signs of digging, although the same thing can be accomplished almost as well by brushing the dirt back in the hole with your hand.
I'm not disagreeing just to be a pain so I hope you don't take offense, I just thought I'd speak up as I thought his digging was ok for having come down so hard on him.
I also don't use a drop cloth but that's just because I haven't gotten around to putting one back in my car after losing them repeatedly. I do agree though that they do help to remove any signs of digging, although the same thing can be accomplished almost as well by brushing the dirt back in the hole with your hand.
I'm not disagreeing just to be a pain so I hope you don't take offense, I just thought I'd speak up as I thought his digging was ok for having come down so hard on him.
moseng
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Bryce, Captn SE, and a few others here seem to have "magic ears" 
for finding the good stuff, at least judging by the finds they post! I mean us rookies (and even some no so rookie folks) really do want to "hear" (myself included) what those who have scored the good "deep" stuff hear when they pass over the target. And while I think it would certainly help, research, location, machine setup, coil selection, hunting habits, and plain old experience (digging a TON of holes where the good stuff isn't 
) all play a part in the success of this yes? Not to mention the fact that one has to actually have the fortune to pass over a good target in the first place. Talk about a needle in a haystack.... even with a detector takes time to find! 
Yesterday I found myself with some rare free time and about an hour of daylight so I headed to this field with my 15x12 SEF for the first time and right away found 3 wheats which gave hope. Then as the light was fading into a very nice orange sunset I dug down no less than 9" and found a very nice 1974 clad Quarter! Sweet! What the....
:veryangry: At least I know what that sounds like now.... but I have no doubt I will dig that sound EVERY time! It's just the way it is until BAMMM!... a good target! I think even those with the magic "ears" still dig a lot of trash and clad compared to good targets. Or not?
Ok Bryce, no time to fly to NJ, I guess California would be out of the question huh? So... maybe you can just send the part of your brain that knows those deep iffy sounds so I can plug it into the USB port on my E-Trac. I'll pay for shipping of course! 
for finding the good stuff, at least judging by the finds they post! I mean us rookies (and even some no so rookie folks) really do want to "hear" (myself included) what those who have scored the good "deep" stuff hear when they pass over the target. And while I think it would certainly help, research, location, machine setup, coil selection, hunting habits, and plain old experience (digging a TON of holes where the good stuff isn't ) all play a part in the success of this yes? Not to mention the fact that one has to actually have the fortune to pass over a good target in the first place. Talk about a needle in a haystack.... even with a detector takes time to find! Yesterday I found myself with some rare free time and about an hour of daylight so I headed to this field with my 15x12 SEF for the first time and right away found 3 wheats which gave hope. Then as the light was fading into a very nice orange sunset I dug down no less than 9" and found a very nice 1974 clad Quarter! Sweet! What the....:veryangry: At least I know what that sounds like now.... but I have no doubt I will dig that sound EVERY time! It's just the way it is until BAMMM!... a good target! I think even those with the magic "ears" still dig a lot of trash and clad compared to good targets. Or not?Ok Bryce, no time to fly to NJ, I guess California would be out of the question huh?
So... maybe you can just send the part of your brain that knows those deep iffy sounds so I can plug it into the USB port on my E-Trac. I'll pay for shipping of course! If the only signals you dig are clear repeatable solid hits, you're not digging the stuff the "pros" dig. We dig signals that are iffy, scratchy, bouncy etc. They sound like crap, and they never sound the same twice. If the target has a good amount of conductivity and is more than 1/2 way on the depth meter, dig it up! How do we get the message across that part of learning your machine is digging a lot of holes to find out what it's telling you? A lot of times they are junk, but equally a lot of times they are good stuff. I actually kinda hate clear repeatable solid hits, as usually they are shallower modern coins. I prefer not knowing exactly what treasure might await me. Pocket spills or coins on edge, for example, rarely give good solid repeatable hits.
I dig trash for sure. I don't dig everything, but I dig a lot. Being fast at recovery is huge in this. Dig, retrieve, move on. If you're wasting 5-10 minutes trying to find something in the hole that's a lot of targets you're not going to be able to get your coil over. A lot of times, I open the hole, stick the probe in there and listen. If it's crap or iron, I'm not gonna chase it...I close the hole back up and move on. You're not obligated to actually dig everything, but do some more investigating. I love when I have an iffy signal, open the hole and the probe sings out sweetly because I know I have something good.
I know some of you don't want to hear it, and think there is some magic elixir that will make you as good as someone who has been detecting for over a decade. It ain't gonna happen. Time in the field and digging holes and junk is where it's at.
Spending money on a high end machine doesn't entitle you to success or make it any easier. In fact, I think a high end machine might be the worst machine for a newbie. Too many controls they don't understand or need that they start tweaking and poking before they've ever learned the basics. I dug a good amount of silver and my oldest coins with my first detector, a White's Classic II, but I spent a LOT of time detecting. I was even mostly in a spot that had been detected by others before, no magic "virgin" ground. I did my research and found good sites that had potential and dug a lot of stuff. I learned the "round sound" - and if you don't know what the "round sound" is, nothing can teach it short of experience. It's a subtle tone variation that no recording would do justice to.
There is no audio tape or youtube video that replaces experience and dedication to the hobby. You're either a passionate detectorist and you know it like a second language or you're a weekend cowboy looking for the quick beep. I'm sorry that's how it is, but lots of other hobbies are the same way... fishing, hunting, cooking, etc. No one's going to be able to teach me all their fishing secrets in one video or one lesson. To be a master fisherman takes years of practice... finding good sites, having good equipment, learning the language of the environment - the water, the fish, the weather. Does that me I won't have fun going fishing for a weekend here and there? Nope. Does it mean I may not luck into a good spot or a huge bass? Nope. Have fun doing what you can and don't worry about what everyone else is finding. Stick to the fundamentals and the experience will come. The more you love it, the more time you'll find to get out and do it.
I know you want to know the "secret" - the secret is commitment, time and experience. That's the secret, and that's why we can't give it to you in 5 minutes or a few words. We can't condense 20 years of detecting into a video clip. It's an art, not a simple X + Y = Z equation. It's like a master chef... a little of this, a dab of that, boiling until it looks just right, or tastes just right. You can throw away a lot of soup before you're able to make the best soup.
There is no shortcut.
I repeat. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it.
If it weren't challenging, it would not be a fun hobby - it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
I dig trash for sure. I don't dig everything, but I dig a lot. Being fast at recovery is huge in this. Dig, retrieve, move on. If you're wasting 5-10 minutes trying to find something in the hole that's a lot of targets you're not going to be able to get your coil over. A lot of times, I open the hole, stick the probe in there and listen. If it's crap or iron, I'm not gonna chase it...I close the hole back up and move on. You're not obligated to actually dig everything, but do some more investigating. I love when I have an iffy signal, open the hole and the probe sings out sweetly because I know I have something good.
I know some of you don't want to hear it, and think there is some magic elixir that will make you as good as someone who has been detecting for over a decade. It ain't gonna happen. Time in the field and digging holes and junk is where it's at.
Spending money on a high end machine doesn't entitle you to success or make it any easier. In fact, I think a high end machine might be the worst machine for a newbie. Too many controls they don't understand or need that they start tweaking and poking before they've ever learned the basics. I dug a good amount of silver and my oldest coins with my first detector, a White's Classic II, but I spent a LOT of time detecting. I was even mostly in a spot that had been detected by others before, no magic "virgin" ground. I did my research and found good sites that had potential and dug a lot of stuff. I learned the "round sound" - and if you don't know what the "round sound" is, nothing can teach it short of experience. It's a subtle tone variation that no recording would do justice to.
There is no audio tape or youtube video that replaces experience and dedication to the hobby. You're either a passionate detectorist and you know it like a second language or you're a weekend cowboy looking for the quick beep. I'm sorry that's how it is, but lots of other hobbies are the same way... fishing, hunting, cooking, etc. No one's going to be able to teach me all their fishing secrets in one video or one lesson. To be a master fisherman takes years of practice... finding good sites, having good equipment, learning the language of the environment - the water, the fish, the weather. Does that me I won't have fun going fishing for a weekend here and there? Nope. Does it mean I may not luck into a good spot or a huge bass? Nope. Have fun doing what you can and don't worry about what everyone else is finding. Stick to the fundamentals and the experience will come. The more you love it, the more time you'll find to get out and do it.
I know you want to know the "secret" - the secret is commitment, time and experience. That's the secret, and that's why we can't give it to you in 5 minutes or a few words. We can't condense 20 years of detecting into a video clip. It's an art, not a simple X + Y = Z equation. It's like a master chef... a little of this, a dab of that, boiling until it looks just right, or tastes just right. You can throw away a lot of soup before you're able to make the best soup.
There is no shortcut.
I repeat. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it.
If it weren't challenging, it would not be a fun hobby - it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Erik in NJ
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Not only a pro, but a modest one too! Geeze Nick, I agree with some of what you are saying, but if I'd read your post 10 years ago I might have started with a Radio Shack instead of a Garrett GTI2500 and after it not producing well after six months, switching to an Explorer XS. Too much digging shallow targets with the Garrett (I could only seem to get about 5" - 6" in NJ with it) and not enough good stuff. With the Explorer I started finding silver in the first month and found close to 100 silver coins in my first year with it - that was my first year of detecting - a real novice. A decade later am I a "pro?" I would never claim that distinction for myself, however, I would like to hear the "iffy" signals that others dig -- would certainly speed up the learning process for me anyway and I expect for other novice and seasoned detectorists. A digital recording would cetainly do anything that we hear from the Explorer justice.
Geeze Nick, I agree with some of what you are saying, but if I'd read your post 10 years ago I might have started with a Radio Shack instead of a Garrett GTI2500 and after it not producing well after six months, switching to an Explorer XS. Too much digging shallow targets with the Garrett (I could only seem to get about 5" - 6" in NJ with it) and not enough good stuff. With the Explorer I started finding silver in the first month and found close to 100 silver coins in my first year with it - that was my first year of detecting - a real novice. A decade later am I a "pro?" I would never claim that distinction for myself, however, I would like to hear the "iffy" signals that others dig -- would certainly speed up the learning process for me anyway and I expect for other novice and seasoned detectorists. A digital recording would cetainly do anything that we hear from the Explorer justice.Erik in NJ
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i think someone should make a dvd with all on site live recordings of the explorer...a true documentary of signals.
not one day out ,lots of hunts...good bad and ugly...that would sell as good as ralphs sunray probes....
seems like these guys that master that knowledge keep it to themselfs......
not one day out ,lots of hunts...good bad and ugly...that would sell as good as ralphs sunray probes....
seems like these guys that master that knowledge keep it to themselfs......
Erik in NJ
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what does that mean anyway?!?! 
And why do hotcakes sell so fast?!?! 
Anyway, I'm just about to set me digial recorder up on my SE and E-Trac to start creating .wav files and am trying to get a few others psyched about this project. If I can get a good .wav file with my Olympus digital recorder I'll do it - otherwise I'll buy the right recorder for the job. I think it's about time someone put this DVD together.......anyone out there game???
And why do hotcakes sell so fast?!?! Anyway, I'm just about to set me digial recorder up on my SE and E-Trac to start creating .wav files and am trying to get a few others psyched about this project. If I can get a good .wav file with my Olympus digital recorder I'll do it - otherwise I'll buy the right recorder for the job. I think it's about time someone put this DVD together.......anyone out there game???
C&RHunter
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One quick observation about sounds and headphones. I have two quality sets of headphones that are exactly alike....Except for one important thing...the tones they make with the same machine and same settings aren't the same. In fact they are very different....So, I agree with the above posts saying that the phones YOU are used to, are indeed a crucial part in the process of determining what the target may be based on the sound..
Erik in NJ
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What phones r u using and why do you suspect they sound different? Unless one is broken, I think it would be highly unusual that they would sound different unless you were talking about a multi-K$ set of loudspeakers that were matched - like Rogers e.g...........inquiring minds want to know!
treasurefiend
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C&RHunter said:
I agree 100%, my friends showed me lots of signals and they predicted what they were in the ground and they let me swing my coil over while using my stock Koss headphones then I used their top of the line headphones and they sounded different. I'm not knocking the Koss headphones, I still use them on every hunt. Think of it like rifle target shooting, you buy a $1,000 rifle then you put a $50 scope on it. Yea it will work but its not as finely tuned as say a $100 or $150 scope. (I know good scopes cost a lot more but I think it works in this analogy). On the other end, you can buy a $1,000 rifle and a $500 scope and if you don't have lots of experience on how to use it, its just as bad. Just take the time and dig some holes and learn what your machine is trying to telling you.