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Buffalo Hunting with the CZ-3D
- Thread starter RD3D
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mtdoramike
Active member
and they hit on high tone? Were you in the enhanced mode or Salt? From what I can tell so far with mine, it won't hit on a nickel period in the enhanced mode, new nickel or buff. It will hit on a nickel in salt mode with the occassional bounce from nickel to pulltab.
I couldn't understand why my wife was smokin me on nickels with her CZ5 until I started doing some air tests with the 3d and found that it won't hit on a nickel in enhanced mode unless you go to all-metal.
HH,
Mike
I couldn't understand why my wife was smokin me on nickels with her CZ5 until I started doing some air tests with the 3d and found that it won't hit on a nickel in enhanced mode unless you go to all-metal.
HH,
Mike
Enhanced Mode
Disc = 0 (to hear all 4 tones)
You will get different results when doing an airtest vs. letting the 3D use the ground matrix to properly identify the buffalo's. Depending on the angle of the coin, you may get a nickel/pulltab bounce but usually the 3D is right on! Good Luck.
Disc = 0 (to hear all 4 tones)
You will get different results when doing an airtest vs. letting the 3D use the ground matrix to properly identify the buffalo's. Depending on the angle of the coin, you may get a nickel/pulltab bounce but usually the 3D is right on! Good Luck.
n/t
loved nickels in the enhanced mode. In fact, I have had CZ-5s' and prefer the 3D because of that. An awesome nickel picker.... Might want to give Fisher a call... Richardntn
mtdoramike
Active member
and this is what I have found:
Current nickel at 6" deep = The 3d will not hit on it in enhance mode. It will ever so often intermitantly beep, but not constant and the 3d meter will jump from pulltab, foil. This is with sensitivity at 4 and with descriminate at 1. If I move descriminate up to 2 or three, it will not hit it at all. This is with a low - mid tone bounce and every now and then a high tone, but rarely.
1937 Buff nickel at 6" = The 3d will not hit on it in ehnace mode unless I drop descriminate down to 1 or zero, Then the 3d will give a low to mid tone & bounce from beavertail to foil or square pulltab.
Now, in salt mode, the 3d will hit both nickels with a high tone and register as nickel on the meter.
But in enhanced mode, in order for a nickel to even register, I would have to run zero descrimination and even then, nickels would be low to mid tone, and I probably wouldn't dig them anyway especially if the meter shows pulltab & I'm in an area where there are a lot of pulltabs.
I sent Fisher a email to see what they have to say about. But right now, I don't see how this detector would be good in an older site if nickels are hitting in low-mid tone.
Thanks,
Mike
Current nickel at 6" deep = The 3d will not hit on it in enhance mode. It will ever so often intermitantly beep, but not constant and the 3d meter will jump from pulltab, foil. This is with sensitivity at 4 and with descriminate at 1. If I move descriminate up to 2 or three, it will not hit it at all. This is with a low - mid tone bounce and every now and then a high tone, but rarely.
1937 Buff nickel at 6" = The 3d will not hit on it in ehnace mode unless I drop descriminate down to 1 or zero, Then the 3d will give a low to mid tone & bounce from beavertail to foil or square pulltab.
Now, in salt mode, the 3d will hit both nickels with a high tone and register as nickel on the meter.
But in enhanced mode, in order for a nickel to even register, I would have to run zero descrimination and even then, nickels would be low to mid tone, and I probably wouldn't dig them anyway especially if the meter shows pulltab & I'm in an area where there are a lot of pulltabs.
I sent Fisher a email to see what they have to say about. But right now, I don't see how this detector would be good in an older site if nickels are hitting in low-mid tone.
Thanks,
Mike
Mike,
I would say you have either a coil or a detector problem. Do you have another coil to try? I did some testing just now in the backyard for you. I held a yardstick on the ground to measure. Disc in 0. That how I hunt too.
8 inch coil
Enhanced mode:
GB 5.5, Sens. 5, Volume 5
Solid nickel till around 8 inches. Pulltab to nickel bounce (mostly nickel) till about 9.5 inches.
SALT mode:
GB 8, Sens. 5, Volume 5
Solid Nickel till around 7.5 inches. Bounces for about 1/2 inch then nothing.
Hope that helps...
-Bill
I would say you have either a coil or a detector problem. Do you have another coil to try? I did some testing just now in the backyard for you. I held a yardstick on the ground to measure. Disc in 0. That how I hunt too.
8 inch coil
Enhanced mode:
GB 5.5, Sens. 5, Volume 5
Solid nickel till around 8 inches. Pulltab to nickel bounce (mostly nickel) till about 9.5 inches.
SALT mode:
GB 8, Sens. 5, Volume 5
Solid Nickel till around 7.5 inches. Bounces for about 1/2 inch then nothing.
Hope that helps...
-Bill
mtdoramike
Active member
and what I found was:
Descrimination =0 also tried it at 1 with same results, sensitivity = 5, GB = 5, Volumn = 5 and mode switched to Enhanced. Using a current 1996 nickel and a Buffulo nickel, Both nickels gave a mid tone audio pitch and would give a momentary high tone beep once every 4 or 5 passes over the target. Visual target ID indicated beaver pulltab, for shallow target, but about 6" deep, the target would jump from beaver pulltab to nickel to square pulltab.
If I moved the descrimination up to 2, using the same setting as above, the target would disappear & no longer register at all.
But while the 3d is in the salt mode, the nickels will give a high coin tone and register on the display as nickel every time.
I called Fisher and spoke to one of there Techs, who stated that this is the way the CZ3d is supposed to do. So I guess with the CZ3d, you are supposed to run low or no descrimination and dig everything. No wonder they said that this machine was for older sites because at that rate, it will be a ball buster & a blister maker for sure.
Descrimination =0 also tried it at 1 with same results, sensitivity = 5, GB = 5, Volumn = 5 and mode switched to Enhanced. Using a current 1996 nickel and a Buffulo nickel, Both nickels gave a mid tone audio pitch and would give a momentary high tone beep once every 4 or 5 passes over the target. Visual target ID indicated beaver pulltab, for shallow target, but about 6" deep, the target would jump from beaver pulltab to nickel to square pulltab.
If I moved the descrimination up to 2, using the same setting as above, the target would disappear & no longer register at all.
But while the 3d is in the salt mode, the nickels will give a high coin tone and register on the display as nickel every time.
I called Fisher and spoke to one of there Techs, who stated that this is the way the CZ3d is supposed to do. So I guess with the CZ3d, you are supposed to run low or no descrimination and dig everything. No wonder they said that this machine was for older sites because at that rate, it will be a ball buster & a blister maker for sure.
Mike,
Like I said, mine's a pretty solid nickel and high tone to about 8 inches. No bounce. I personally think there's something wrong with your machine. I always run disc at 0 just because I use the number of target hits to help gauge my swing speed, etc. I only dig the high tones on the 3D. I personally would push the issue with Fisher. That's not the way my 3D works. Good luck!
-Bill
Like I said, mine's a pretty solid nickel and high tone to about 8 inches. No bounce. I personally think there's something wrong with your machine. I always run disc at 0 just because I use the number of target hits to help gauge my swing speed, etc. I only dig the high tones on the 3D. I personally would push the issue with Fisher. That's not the way my 3D works. Good luck!
-Bill
WVAdirtdigger
New member
I tried a NEW nickel on my 3D and it was mid tone. Almost every time. I waved 4 different V-nickels in front of it and every one of them hit hi-tone nickel every time. That's why I don't dig many new nickels:? I didn't even realize it. I've had the stupid machine for a year and didn't know this!! I really don't care to dig newer nickels anyway. Now if they could just fine tune it so that it could tell whether it was a wheat cent or a memorial cent.artytime I'd be set.
Well, you learn something new every day.
artytime I'd be set.Well, you learn something new every day.
Low-Boy/LCPM
Active member
Something is wrong with your CZ3 cause my loves all kinds of nickels and all on high tone and in inhanced mood.
Jackpine Savage
Active member
They should ID hi tone in ground undug, if not then I would send it into to Fisher.
HH Tom
HH Tom
mtdoramike
Active member
laying the nickel on the ground & also buried as deep as 6" in the ground and what I get is mid tone audio & the meter shows beavertail pull tab. Thats in the enhanced mode. With descriminatrion set at "0" or "1", if I bump up the descrimination to 2, I lose the nickel altogether.
I still can't believe Fisher saying that this is the way the 3d is supposed to work. I was wondering why my wife was smokin me on nickels with her CZ5 & now I see why. I was doing exactly what the book said and diggin all high tones, with descrimination set at 2, so I wouldn't even detect a nickel.
I will probably send it in to Fisher and hopefully they will check it out and not just send it back to me saying theres nothing wrong with it.
I still can't believe Fisher saying that this is the way the 3d is supposed to work. I was wondering why my wife was smokin me on nickels with her CZ5 & now I see why. I was doing exactly what the book said and diggin all high tones, with descrimination set at 2, so I wouldn't even detect a nickel.
I will probably send it in to Fisher and hopefully they will check it out and not just send it back to me saying theres nothing wrong with it.
mtdoramike
Active member
Think back at how many Buff nickels you have found.I don't know anyone who doesn't like finding buff nickels. I don't have a V nickel to test it with, but I bet it will hit at mid tone as well.
What really gets me is, why should the 3d lose nickels when you go from 0 or 1 descrimination to 2, because it will not make a peep after you switch descrim to 2 or higher.
But yet you can not noych out Zinc penny, try it, zinc will hit at high coin everytime and even moving descrimate up to 6, which is max, you will still ding zinc in the Enhance mode.
But now, put the 3d in salt mode, you will hit on zinc until you put descriminate in 6 then it will finally nock out zinc penny.
What really gets me is, why should the 3d lose nickels when you go from 0 or 1 descrimination to 2, because it will not make a peep after you switch descrim to 2 or higher.
But yet you can not noych out Zinc penny, try it, zinc will hit at high coin everytime and even moving descrimate up to 6, which is max, you will still ding zinc in the Enhance mode.
But now, put the 3d in salt mode, you will hit on zinc until you put descriminate in 6 then it will finally nock out zinc penny.
mtdoramike
Active member
it will hit in high tine either way, and if it hits mid tone, it will hit mid-tone either way, buried or laying on the ground or airtesting for that matter. The only machine that I had that made a difference was the Coinstrike when airtesting, but if you tape a coin to the backside of a 2X4 it worked great in airtests.
Mike,
I did another backyard test for you. I put the 3D in disc 4. I got basically the same results I did last night with a solid nickel signal to about 8 inches but naturally without the bounce to pulltab because I had discriminated it out. I also stepped up the disc modes 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 with basically no variance in the nickel signal strength, etc. All test were with the 8 inch coil. Enhanced could get a nickel signal further away than the SALT mode could. I hope this helps you some.
Enhanced:
GB - 5.3-5.4, Sens. 5 Volume 5
SALT:
GB - 7.6 - 7.7, Sens. 5 Volume 5
I would without a doubt say you have an issue with the detector itself since you did say you tried another coil. I am telling you from over a year of field use with the 3D it loves nickels. I have dug more V nickels, buffalos nickels, and Jefferson nickels than with any other machine I have ever used. Alot of those nickels came from pounded parks, etc. Good Luck!
-Bill
I did another backyard test for you. I put the 3D in disc 4. I got basically the same results I did last night with a solid nickel signal to about 8 inches but naturally without the bounce to pulltab because I had discriminated it out. I also stepped up the disc modes 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 with basically no variance in the nickel signal strength, etc. All test were with the 8 inch coil. Enhanced could get a nickel signal further away than the SALT mode could. I hope this helps you some.
Enhanced:
GB - 5.3-5.4, Sens. 5 Volume 5
SALT:
GB - 7.6 - 7.7, Sens. 5 Volume 5
I would without a doubt say you have an issue with the detector itself since you did say you tried another coil. I am telling you from over a year of field use with the 3D it loves nickels. I have dug more V nickels, buffalos nickels, and Jefferson nickels than with any other machine I have ever used. Alot of those nickels came from pounded parks, etc.
Good Luck!-Bill