So I saw a post on another forum where someone got a new tesoro catalog when they got their detector back. From what he was saying the cibola and vaquero are now listed as having ED 120. It doesn't bother me a whole lot because I've learned to deal with how my Vaquero discriminates, but it's kind of upsetting that they advertised it before as having ED 180 if it really doesn't. If what he's saying is true that is.
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Changes in tesoro catalog: Vaquero has ED 120
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atomicscott
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I don't tihnk it is a misprint. I've read before that the Vaq is ED 120 and the Compadre is actually ED 180. This makes sense, as in my opinion the Compadre is much better at discriminating iron.
I haven't actually seen the catalog, so I don't know. From my experience the Vaquero doesn't act like it has true ED 180 anyways because of its difficulties with discriminating iron. I mean it's not the biggest deal to me because I still enjoy the machine, but it sucks for people who got it under the assumption it had ED 180 because that's what the advertising originally said
SpiritRelic
New member
That it was 120.Tesoro is nailing us to the wall.They put out just enough in one detector where you have to buy another one to do what the other would not do and on and on.I am telling you Tesoro has been playing us like puppets!.Like take the V for instance,you really want this detector for it's excellent depth abilities but sucks at every thing else.Then the golden is a good cherry picker but sucks at every thing else and on and on.I'm telling you these Tesoros will make you crazy! 
Even still, my Vaquero doesn't seem to discriminate out iron all that well no matter what anyone says. I don't care about the discrimination circuit it has because I've gotten used to it. I'm just saying that saying it has Ed 180 when it really doesn't sucks for people that look at that kind of stuff
SpiritRelic
New member
You will always be fooled by the bigger pieces.With no tones or iron audio.This is normal.Bobby s said:
atomicscott
Active member
It's all good Bobby! That is what the forums are for. I totally agree though, I set disc up over a piece of rusty iron (quarter size). 2 minutes later I'm digging up pieces of rusty iron that are smaller than a quarter. This with disc at tab mark! This is with 5.75 DD coil. I guess we just gotta deal with it the best we can (or stay out of the iron, lol).Bobby s said:
The ED120 vs. ED 180 is a reference to the theoretical range of target acceptance, not how cleanly the design actually discriminates when set to discriminate out a target.
The Tejon set to discrimination mode and Compadre will let you adjusted the discriminator down to accept all metals, including small iron. That is, reaching the end of the 180 ED range in full. On small nails the Cibola and Vaquero with the minimum discrimination setting will click and not completely accept the small iron target; thus it is starting to discriminate out the target and not reaching the full ED 180 range. I think Monte guessed it at about ED165 (a quick search here did not pull up a pertinent post; some digging will be needed) Probably a good guess at ED 165. I haven't read of either a full test against a known baseline to get exactly what the range is or a circuit analysis that predicts what the range is.
As for the H.O.T. series detectors not completely eliminating a discriminated out target as well as one of the older designs, such as the Compadre, does; seems to be partly a result of the high gain circuit and some of the associated design trade offs. The H.O.T. series detectors I've used don't mask quite as much as the Compadre does when set to discriminate out iron, but they also don't discriminate out as cleanly.
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Edit to add ... I see Sven was posting at the same time! Nice charts.
The Tejon set to discrimination mode and Compadre will let you adjusted the discriminator down to accept all metals, including small iron. That is, reaching the end of the 180 ED range in full. On small nails the Cibola and Vaquero with the minimum discrimination setting will click and not completely accept the small iron target; thus it is starting to discriminate out the target and not reaching the full ED 180 range. I think Monte guessed it at about ED165 (a quick search here did not pull up a pertinent post; some digging will be needed) Probably a good guess at ED 165. I haven't read of either a full test against a known baseline to get exactly what the range is or a circuit analysis that predicts what the range is.
As for the H.O.T. series detectors not completely eliminating a discriminated out target as well as one of the older designs, such as the Compadre, does; seems to be partly a result of the high gain circuit and some of the associated design trade offs. The H.O.T. series detectors I've used don't mask quite as much as the Compadre does when set to discriminate out iron, but they also don't discriminate out as cleanly.
tvr
Edit to add ... I see Sven was posting at the same time! Nice charts.
BarberBill
New member
Personally, I don't have a problem with the ED 120 which is what most of my detectors are. They seem to scream loudly on iron with any size such as old axe heads, horseshoes etc. and I've dug plenty of square nails at old home sites, so I don't think I'm missing anything I'd care about.
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mattmichigan
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I don't know what disc the (V) has.It's supposed to be 180.But find it to be one of the better ones in the iron.The DD 5.75 will tend to like iron a little more compared to 5.75 concentric.I'm guessing someone read a misprint.