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Coil Selection for Omega

all iron

Member
I Have the.
5 inch DD
8 inch Concentric
10 Elliptical
11 inch DD

The 5 inch works well in Trash areas with good depth, Great target separation ( its like having a great big pin-pointer )
The 8 inch coil I've only used on my Delta but seems to been an all around good coil for cleaning house.
The 10 inch elliptical and 11 inch DD is where I'm not sure when to use. Is bigger Better? , My wife says no but what does she really know about Metal detecting.
 
If I am hunting modern sites for clad and jewelry, the 10" coil is my choice. When silver and relic hunting, I go to the 11" as it gets the ultimate depth on the Omega and most of my sites are pretty trashy and the 11" is great at unmasking. On sites that are heavily trashed and after using either, or both, the 10" and 11" coils, I'll then re-hunt these spots with the 5" dd. I don't have the 8," but for me the other three coils all have their place. My 2 cents, for what its worth. HH jim tn
 
all iron said:
The 5 inch works well in Trash areas with good depth,

I'm considering buying an Omega.

What's your definition of "good depth"?
 
i did an air test indoors with 50 sens and the 5in dd.... was getting very good depth. 8 or 9in on a modern quarter. to me thats very good. cant wait til weather gets better
 
all iron said:
Ive dug up modern quarters at 7 inches with the 5 inch coil

That's fantastic! Do you have to carry a big shovel with you when you're using the 9 inch coil?:)
 
Not with the 9 inch coil but when i use the 11 coil i drive a backhoe
 
Anyone have any good links that would help me understand coil size and configurations and how an individual coil responds to different targets.
They must all have their own good points or there would only be just one. For example: the 10 inch concentric coil and the 11 inch dd coil, there must be more than just the one inch difference, i would expect its a coil wind thing also, but how does that effect / enhance the performance?
 
It seems to be easy to go accessory crazy with detecting. I think many times people who are not able to spend a lot of time detecting, instead start buying detecting accessories. Maybe these detectorists are not having much luck and think a new machine or a new coil is just the thing they need to make better finds.

When it comes to coils, this is a tough one to answer. Certainly for different types of detecting, having a smaller or larger coil can be an advantage. But 90% of the time the stock coil will give you good results for coinshooting.

There are two main types of coils available, concentric and double-d (DD). Knowing which type your detector uses helps you understand how to get the most out of it. A concentric coil puts out a cone-shaped field (shaped like a O), the DD field is more like the "center slice" of the concentric (shaped like an I).
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The illustration above shows in grey, the fields of the concentric and DD coils. The concentric is on the left, and the DD on the right. The black bar at the top represents the search coil, the grey shows the penetration of the field into the ground. You can see the strength of the DD coil here in that it can "get between" the bottle cap and the nail, isolating the target. While the concentric coil will not give a good signal because there are three targets in the field at one time.
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This diagram shows the DD field at a 90 degree angle on the far right. As is obvious, the DD coil has much more detection area at the "coin" depth than the concentric coil. But because it is also narrow, it has the ability to "see through" the trash. But, to be able to "see through" the trash, you need a slow sweep speed. If you race the coil across the bottle cap and nail, you're never going to be able to hear the "peep" of the good coin signal inbetween.

With the concentric coil, the deepest part of the field is very small, so if you are searching for a deep dime-sized signal, you have to really overlap your sweeps to maximize the depth. The problem with this is that the interference from shallower objects and trash will keep the detector from even "seeing" these deeper items. This is called target masking.

The DD coil is far superior in my opinion, as the narrow width of the field cuts out a good percentage of the trash and signals near the surface and the narrow field can really punch down around the trash signals. Also by scanning an area at 90 degrees and 45 degrees to the original pattern, you will be able to find almost all the targets in an area, and target masking is minimized.

A small coil is said to be good for trashy areas. With a concentric coil, this has some truth. The small coil will help you cherry pick a few good items from the trash. I think for the most part, smaller DD coils are no more effective than the stock coils. Most often though, I see people reporting making more finds (or the "look what I missed!") with a smaller coil, but it is not the coil that made the difference! What happened was they tightened up their sweep pattern and had to slow down with the smaller coil. Had they used the stock coil, overlapped their sweeps and slowed down they would get even better results.
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Look what happens when we put the small coil on. The targets are in the same locations as the above pictures. The small coil has reduced our depth, the coin is now not detectable at all and we are still getting signals on the trash targets. We might have better results making sensitivity adjustments rather than using the small coil. Looks like going slowly with the larger stock coil might work better than using a small coil based on this situation!

Large coils are touted for having great depth, the trade off is they have a larger field so they are much more prone to target masking. Not only do these larger coils tend to be heavy, but they are really only effective in super clean areas due to masking. People buy these coils because they think they need more depth, and while this may be the case at certain sites that have been filled, reworked, or if your area has a high "sink" rate for items, a bigger coil is not going to help you at most sites. In most areas almost all coins are within reach of your stock coil! Any depth advantage is negated by the effects of target masking.
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With the larger coil, we have many more objects detected simultaneously. With the concentric coil on the right, I now have six targets I am hearing at one time! The DD coil in the center and right diagrams do a little better, but we still have too many targets under the coil at one time to get a good signal, or a clear ID that says "dig".

Where a large coil has advantages is in covering a large relatively clean area. A field, a beach... finding traces of an old homesite in the middle of woods. These areas all have low trash concentrations, so there is little target masking and you can cover more ground faster with the larger coil.

Depth is, for the most part, a bogus issue. If you are coinshooting, most coins in "natural" ground (grassy areas) are less than 12" deep. Most newer name-brand detectors made in the past 15-20 years get adequate depth with their stock coils. The reason we do not find all the coins is not because of lack of depth, it's rather from poor overlapping of sweeps, target masking, and inferior target ID meters on the machines.

Before you go out and buy a new coil, especially for a machine that is new to you, learn how to use the coil that came with the machine. Understand what coil you have and how the field of that coil works. Slow down, overlap your sweeps. Remember that the coil that comes with your machine is selected by the engineers to give the best overall performance and also provide good weight and balance for your machine. All the features of the detector are tuned to work optimally with the stock coil, not that 5" hockey puck or the 24" trash can lid!

Master the stock coil and your detector, first. Understand your site and how the coils work. If then you decide you have a site that would benefit from use of a different coil, weigh the cost of the coil to the potential finds and see if that accessory coil is really a good investment. I think most often you will find that improving your technique with the existing equipment, and digging more junk out of a trashy area will have a greater impact on your finds than a new coil.
 
While the 10" elliptical concentric is a great coin hunting coil most of my detecting is done at older sites in the area and I find the 11" DD gives me a performance advantage at those sites, especially previously hard hit ones. The Omega's circuitry seems to be able to use and take advantage of the DD coils narrower footprint in a way that other DD coil equipped detectors do not. In the past I had always felt that stock and a little larger concentric coil sizes were best for on-edge coins due to the shape of the EM field pattern. The disadvantage is of course the masking factor due to more targets under the coil. Enter the 11" bi-axial coil and faster processors of the new Teks have and it has changed the game for me at well hunted older sites. The ability to pick up the small signals of on-edge coins without the masking problems inherent with similarly sized concentric coils has translated into many mid depth targets being found at sites that I had been given up on.

Some would say and and in many cases rightfully so, to go to a smaller coil such as the 5" DD for these type sites due to the better seperation. However in my experience these previously missed mid-depth weaker signals are better "seen" with the 11" DD. Put another way even though the 5" DD on the Omega has the depth potential to go say 7" deep that does not mean it will pick up these small high conductive signals.

Tom
 
cool link with illustrations
http://www.metaldetectingworld.com/metal_detector_search_coils.shtml
 
I cant fill it in / i most apologise to the admins for my link post ? sorry Guys wasn't thinking
 
Here's a link with pictures. I saw this awhile back and found it very interesting and informative.

http://www.ohiometaldetecting.com/2/post/2009/9/shes-right-you-really-dont-need-an-additional-searchcoil.html
 
That article makes me believe that the Omega would better overall right out of the box if it came with a standard 11" DD coil instead of the standard 10" concentric coil.

If the Omega was only shipped with a hardwired coil that couldn't be changed and you only had one detector, which coil would you want it to come with?
 
twenty or more years. More recently, really, since certain manufacturers have been using a DD design a lot and promoting them. then, someone reads a similar post or hears a similar statement, accepts it as factual, then keeps on promoting it. So, with that said, here is a statement from that article:

A concentric coil puts out a cone-shaped field (shaped like a O), the DD field is more like the "center slice" of the concentric (shaped like an I).

Unfortunately you don't see these statements made as factual quotes by the metal detector design engineers through the years, or ask the engineers to visit these forums and that we would welcome their factual descriptions of the real strengths and weaknesses of these two coils designs, or put to rest the goofy comment that a concentric coil "put out" a cone-shaped field. Or that a DD coil's field is knife-like and top-to-bottom has a full strength field, front to rear.

Both statements are incorrect, as are the suggestions that I often read with regard to coil depth of detection potential, etc. I've worked with one of the best search coil designers in the industry, and I have heard his descriptions as we talked about search coil design. Back then we found it interesting the types of statements made, like above, that so many people take for granted, and the mystery seems to hold true today. Yes, there are differences in the functional portions of the EMF generated about these two search coil designs, but things are not so nice-and-proper and some imagine.

Each individual needs to work with their one detector and their one coil offerings for that model, bench testing and in the field, to really learn what the good and bad traits really are.

Monte
 
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