Coil upgrade for my GT

[king-ghidorah]

The Tiger Shark vs. Excalibur 1000,heehee. That is no contest. Excalibur all the way. I have even posted in Tesoro forum about the Tiger Shark and everyone that had one said it didn't work that well in salt water mode and that discrimination had to be used so much that 3-4" was best on depth. The Infinium has only 2 reviews on kellyco and the Infinium forum on here has very low traffic compared to other forums so I am not saying that somehow it is not a good MD BUT why is hardly anyone using them? It's Advanced Pulse Induction seems unique & cool and probably goes very deep. I had also looked at that one at the last minute but it seems like if everyone is using and screaming ecstasy about the Excalibur then there has to be something good about this MD reputation.

Most beach hunters in that forum use the Excalibur and their expertise and finds speak for themselves so that is the "One" in my mind and that is the one I'll be acquiring in the near future. It has excellent discrimination, goes deep, and has a three year warranty. It also comes with waterproof headphones. The Infinium does not come with waterproof headphones. You have to spend another $90 for that. Not having waterproof headphones on a waterproof machine is like having to use condoms and then seeing in fine print," Beware of moisture." Then you have to spend $15.95 to get a coil cover for the 10x14. C'mon!

 

[kered]

Mike did you read the whole of my post or just the >>> PS i also use a 550 meter(i also have a 180) and the readings don't bounce so much <<<
that was just put in as an afterthought comment as some people do use and rely on them, hence the PS.
The meter is steadier than with the Wot 15" thats a fact any YOU can't change it.

>>I run mostly in disc mode, 0 notch 0 disc.<<-- what in this suggests i dicriminate? if at all i discriminate with my ears, i too can tell what a bottle cap sounds like so you get no prize there.

I haven't a clue what a nickle, dime, dollar or any other of your coins sound like, but i'll LOSS YOU OFF on a european beach, we use

 

[Mike (Virginia Beach)]

Not scoffing at all...my point was that the meter is pretty much useless at the beach.

You ask what gives me the idea you are discriminating. That would be the fact that you are using a meter. If you weren't discriminating, why would the numbers matter? You might not have any discrimination dialed in, but if you are digging based on the numbers then you are discriminating, yes? I asked you what you would NOT dig at the beach, based on the meter. You didn't answer that. I was wondering what to you would constitute "trash" or something not worth digging based on meter reading. If you are coin shooting and don't want to dig aluminum trash that's fine, but if you choose not to dig aluminum trash at the beach, you certainly give up most gold jewelry as well. So there's not MUCH I won't dig at the beach, though I do pass up some signals, if I think they are iron, bottlecaps, aluminum cans, or cigarette packs, most of which I can tell from tone. But I DO discriminate SOME, even though running 0/0 with the GT or "1" with the Excal, which is the same thing.

As for talking about the GT or the Excal, that's a moot point. I have both and they use the same BBS technology and have the same basic tones, only significant difference coming from the headphones used.

Maybe a couple of other reasons I shun a meter at the beach is that many of us here hunt the beach at night. A meter would be a nuisance. Also, coins are a nuisance for the most part here and all have high tones, whereas most gold jewelry has LOW tones. I DO dig the coins most of the time, but the low gold tones is what I crave. As for the Euros, they can come in MUCH lower, further blurring the difference between coin and gold.

Whatever works for you. I don't know anybody out of the many here that use GT's and Excals that use a meter. For land hunting, definitely. I have one and I use it. For the beach, not looking to be that discriminating about what I dig. I hope you can understand my point and I didn't mean to pi$$ in your wheaties.

 

[kered]

"Not scoffing at all...my point was that the meter is pretty much useless at the beach." <<-- In your opinion, Ok your entitled to it but its an opinion all the same not a fact as written

" As for the Euros, they can come in MUCH lower, further blurring the difference between coin and gold." <<--Never Heard a low

 

[king-ghidorah]

"Not scoffing at all...my point was that the meter is pretty much useless at the beach." <<-- In your opinion, Ok your entitled to it but its an opinion all the same not a fact as written

In my opinion I think a meter for the beach is of not much value too. You are pretty much digging everything unless it sounds like iron and usually there is not much of that on the beach. Maybe I am reading things wrong but it seems to me that most experienced hunters and ones that do well hunt primarily with sound/tones. The visual aspect of some of the bell & whistle MD has made some of us lazy. I am not implying you are. I am just saying in general. I know it did me at first but once I just started honing in on the sounds I progressed much faster and was making way more finds and having a more enjoyable MD experience. WHat comes to my mind is the owl. When they are hunting at night many times their prey is hidden but he can hear them. Just by the variations of the left and right ear he knows exactly where and what his prey is and he can swoop down and nail it first time. I know I am stretching this analogy but you know what I mean. Plus the Excal doesn't have a meter,heehee. I wouldn't even want one if they offered it as an accessory. I am going to force myself to use sound. I'm l,ooking forward to it

" As for the Euros, they can come in MUCH lower, further blurring the difference between coin and gold." <<--Never Heard a low

 

[kered]

I mainly used the SEF 15x10 on the beach on a Sovereign Elite my freind has one on his GT
I detect the beaches mainly, both dry and wet and in the water to knee depth as i chest mount.
Before buying the SEF i used a Wot 15"almost exclusivly as it performed better than the S-12 and excelarator 14" here
I run mostly in disc mode, 0 notch 0 disc.
in the dry sand i could get he sensitivy up full(just before the click into auto) with very little falsing
In the wet i had to crack it back to about 9-10 o'clock to get it stable with slight falsng, i like to run hot
Its a long time since i last used the stock 10" and can't remember the actual sensitivity setings but around the 11 oclock on the dry and 12 o'clock on the wet
the sef gives better target separction than the 10" stock coil although probably not as good as a joey or 5"(not much use on the beach though)
the target responses are similar although i might add that the target seemed bigger, hard to explain but its as if the centre line of detection of the coil was much thiner and more focused than with the wot and seems to give better definition.

I have now sold one of my Wots, i'm keeping the other just in case of failure

Hope this helps

PS i also use a 550 meter(i also have a 180) and the readings don't bounce so much

As you can see from the original post i was giving my opinion of the SEF coil, the last line was a comment i added just as matter of interest

I had the sovereign long before i had a meter, I also have a 4 tone Tesoro golden

 

[ujat]

I would like to thank all of you for your very interesting advice.
Sorry for not thank you earlier but my laptop was in repair and i couldn't connect to Internet.

 

[wpruden]

It's been a while since I've been here but I disagree on a few things U said here goes
1. I had the musky advantage U can sweep fast or slow and practically no loss in depth at max dis.
2. all sov. are slow machines, they were designed that way to analyze the ground with the 17 frequencies. no way the musky or ANY VLF detector is deeper than than the sovs. or explorers. The slower you go with the sov. the deeper it wil penetrate, theses frequencies must see the same area of coverage or U will miss many targets. Last winter I dug a wheatie 11" down with the 8" bbs coil actual 7.25" in diameter. it read 550 on my meter as well.
3. the musky and exterras are good detectors but the technology is totally diff rent. the VLF detector will hit small gold linked chains better. due to BBS and fbs trying to read all links on chain. Outside of that the sovs. and explorers will out hunt the VLF detectors.
4. But if U want to cover alot of ground quick then use the musky/exterra. I hit 8" deep coins with ease with my sov. go slow with the sov. u can't go to slow!
I'm a coin man and I only use the 8" BBS coil for the separation of trash. Using the 8" coil I can run my sensitivity at a higher setting so who needs those 10" coils. U will get more EFFECTIVE DEPTH with the 8" coil over the 10" coil.
I have silver dime and clad dime in my test garden buried at 9.5" my sov can pick up tones both ways across target and with meter read 550.
Thanks Wil

 

[king-ghidorah]

"theses frequencies must see the same area of coverage or U will miss many targets."

That's a good point wpruden, I never thought of that.