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Compadre and Foil

berryman

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Took my Compadre out today for the first time - to the beach. I set the discrimination just past 'foil' on the selector and was surprised that a lot of foil that I found there didn't discriminate out. Before I took it out, I tested it on a piece of store-bought aluminum foil. I couldn't discriminate it out either - even when I cranked the discrimination past 'nickel' and beyond.

Can someone explain why common foil isn't discriminated out by the Compadre?
 
May not disc out , sounds odd not like a coin . Keep testing
 
If the foil piece is large enough, it can be very hard to discriminate it out.
 
I do a lot of hunting around campgrounds where there is a lot of foil in the ground. All my detectors have trouble disc'ing out foil. Unless it's a large piece, foil usually doesn't have a "clean" sound like a good target. I still wind up digging lots of foil though.
 
I should say that, in spite of my foil discrimination problem and some EMI issues, I did manage to find 33 clad and a nice ring.
 
berryman said:
Took my Compadre out today for the first time - to the beach. I set the discrimination just past 'foil' on the selector and was surprised that a lot of foil that I found there didn't discriminate out. Before I took it out, I tested it on a piece of store-bought aluminum foil. I couldn't discriminate it out either - even when I cranked the discrimination past 'nickel' and beyond.

Can someone explain why common foil isn't discriminated out by the Compadre?

Larger pieces of foil are more like the sides of a pop can, foil on the disc scale is more like gum wrappers.

Mark
 
What Mark said. On the discrimination (conductivity) scale a small piece of foil will discriminate out before nickel and a medium size piece around pull tab and a large piece above zinc penny or higher. The screen ID detectors are fooled as well. You have to let your ears do the discriminating.

tabman
 
a lot of times also foil will have a sharper and broke up signal depending the size of it compared to a ring..........the ones that fool me are the gold colored beaver tails they all have a nice smooth coin signal..........so low and slow go from all angles
 
I have worked hard to figure out this type of garbage when using my Vaq and Compadre.
Remember that these detectors don't really discriminate the same metal at all sizes the same way, it all has to do with conductivity and in this case the size of the targets matter.
A really small piece of foil might disc out in iron, sports drink inserts, condiment packages and gum wrappers on mine will disc out just a hair past the n in iron on my Vaq and C, larger or compressed and thicker foil like the kind you find around campsites and picnic pavilions will disc out higher.
A big chunk might be way high in nickel, zinc or even higher if big enough.
Even though all of these are foil, to the Compadre they are all completely different animals and will behave and disc out differently.
Same on can slaw.
I have also discovered that foil doesn't break down...ever!
I hunt some woods sites where there has been camping going on for over 100 years.
Tons of this stuff everywhere, it might be dirty, but most of it it is just as solid as the day it was made and that will never change.


Because there is so much of this stuff out there in all sizes this is what I came up with to try to figure these foil targets out so I can leave a lot of it in the ground with a petty high confidence level.

First, the really big stuff, large chunks of full sheets folded up like the kind you can find at campsites, can have a "tinny" component in the sound like I hear on large cans or big pieces of can slaw.
I can hear this annoying sound on my Vaq that has the high tone option very well, but it works on the Compadre most of the time too.
Smaller pieces don't sound quite the same and can fool you.
It took me awhile to learn the difference but eventually I did.

I say I am a dig it all hunter but I am not really...I dig enough trash as it is, solid sounding trash, if I can leave some in the ground and not be bothered worrying about passing over some great targets without the "what ifs" bothering me I am happy.
You never know till you dig it, of course, but if I do miss something from time to time I don't know about it and don't worry about it and I have found way more than my share of great things so I am happy with the way I do this.

I never thumb up to listen where the target discs out...I ALWAYS thumb past the fade out point and then back down and listen to how the targets come in.
Good targets like coins and rings will usually just come in this way, irregular shaped trash like can slaw and lots of that foil will click, chatter or break up a lot before they firm up.
I dug tons of trash in the past to make this one of my rules whether to dig or not and nowadays I usually don't if targets break up like this.

Not all foil will do this, and some shapes like my arch enemy those hated round sports drink inserts never do, neither will condiment packages and gum wrapper foil for the most part.
Even though I suspect what these are because of that knob position at just past iron, some really small gold rings, gold earrings and smaller chains could act the same so I still end up digging a bunch of these just to make sure.
I did make a video about these stupid things and figured out that by lifting the coil and keeping the coil at the right angle these things will break up at the fade out point a lot more than good targets will...mostly.
If I get a signal that comes in at that high iron level by turning the knob back, AND it breaks up a lot when lifting the coil at the right angle I am pretty sure it is one of those 3 target types.
Still dig these more often than not, however, because as I said, chains are just weird.

It is a war out there...us against the trash.
You either have to actually dig it all or figure out ways to put your mind at ease if you would rather not.
I have settled on a combination of both depending on the situation and my mind is at piece...so far.
One day that could change.

Here is that sports drink insert video.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCRjmlO84nI&list=UUpjgKU3qrKYB57QV5wB3yog[/video]
 
Revier - great info! However, I was wondering if, with all the thumbing you do with your machine, whether your discrimination knob ever gets loose and, if so, what you do to remedy the problem?
 
Great information Revier as is your video !
I hunt sports fields for gold jewelry. They all seem to have a ton of aluminum trash of all kinds.
Never heard of turning the coil at an angle as you raise it to make the signal break up on aluminum
but I sure will try it. Interesting that you hunt in all metal and just let your ears do the discriminating
as you do your coil technique. Thanks for posting this ! Was thinking about maybe getting a
Compadre with a small coil and now I am even more convinced this would be a good thing to do.
Anything to better the odds and maybe cut back on my foil collection !
Good hunting to you Revier ! Gene
 
REVIER great video. I got my way of handling those sports foil caps. Use the pull down to see the target order before playing the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt4V8G6KVeI

tabman
 
Excellent info and great videos!!!!

Thanks:thumbup:
 
tabman said:
REVIER great video. I got my way of handling those sports foil caps. Use the pull down to see the target order before playing the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt4V8G6KVeI

tabman

Yes, I saw this great video when you first put it out there.
Tesoros are great...there are many different ways to deal with all targets.
Different knob settings, attack angles, coil movements and all.
I think each unit has its own particular peccadilloes too, but that is the fun for all of us Tesoroheads...
Learn the best way to do whatever you want to accomplish your way and in the most fun and efficient way possible and there are so many ways to do this.
We Tesoro guys sure ain't shy in telling you our favorite secrets and ways either, thank goodness.
 
berryman said:
Revier - great info! However, I was wondering if, with all the thumbing you do with your machine, whether your discrimination knob ever gets loose and, if so, what you do to remedy the problem?

Nope, no mods or rubber gaskets ever added and the knob never gets loose even with the by now about a million miles it has traveled back and forth.
I am very fast at moving that thing around, too, and most of the time I can set it down at all metal, the i in iron, just below the f in foil, at the f in foil, just below nickel or just at 3:00 in zinc or whatever I choose and hit that mark without looking because I have had so much practice.
I still do look, but I am surprised how close I can come to any starting point I choose even when I don't look.
 
Believe that surely says something for Tesoro quality. Lifetime guarantee doesn't hurt any either. HH Gene
 
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