Compadre vs. Silver umax on Gold Chains

[Sven]

So you say the Compadre is more sensitive and will pick up gold chains and the Silver won't?
I don't have a Compadre, but can tell you why it gets them.

Both are Disc mode detectors, the Silver does not have a true all metal mode.

The Compadre disc level drops below the Silvers min setting, so at this point the Silver will not pick them up.
Now switch the Silver to all metal mode, which is just disc mode dropping below the min knob setting putting
in line with the Compadre's setting. Now run the gold chain under the Silver coil....cha-ching, you will now get a signal.
You will still find in all metal a lot of junk is still disc'd out. Nails will give a distinct double beep.

 

[slingshot]

NOW, try a fine gold chain and the Silver umax won't beep. I admit a fine gold chain is small, but the Compadre will hit it. It has NOTHING to do with the disc. level or the coil size. I read Monte's posts, as well as Tabdog's posts and for 3 years believed there couldn't be any difference, but there is. I found a FINE GOLD CHAIN while I was DISCING OUT hairpins and the Silver wouldn't even blip on it until I rolled it up in a ball and RUBBED it on the coil. I know Monte's posts seem biased to many people, but believe me I saw it with my own eyes. Oops!! forgot. I was in a/m mode with the Silver.

 

[Southwind]

I put a small concentric coil on my Silver and it could see any gold my Compadre could. The Compadre couldn't see any gold the Silver couldn't. When I had the stock Silver coil it wasn't good on very small gold and even worse with the 8.5 DD coil.

 

[Sven]

I'm sure the Compadre with the small coil is better than the Silver with the larger coil on smaller gold jewelry.
And I will venture to say the Compadre is better than the Silver with the smaller coil on that same jewelry from what I have read.
I never owned a Compadre so I really can't compare them side by side.
But, at least I now know the Silver will find the small thin gold chains if hunting in all metal mode.

As for the Eldo being a great gold chain hunter, It's not any better than the Silver in disc or true all metal mode. I did some air testing to qualify that.

 

[Smudge]

I have owned both, and using the same degree of discrimination (set just above "IRON"), the Compadre was better at hitting small gold targets than the Silver with the 8" coil.

Things started to even out on gold rings of about 2 grams and higher.

 

[Sven]

Boils down to discrimination?
Compadre min is not the same as the Silver min range using the Disc control knob.
The Compadre drops lower into the iron range to pick up items the Silver rejects. To even it out some compared to the Compadre
the Silver has a toggle switch that switches to all-metal, which is not a true all metal but just discrimination
preset at a lower setting than the knob will allow. This now allows the Silver to pick up the smaller gold as well as the other smaller junk that the Compadre picks up.

I think if Monte chimes in, he might be able to clear it up better?

Makes for an interesting topic.

 

[finnfoto]

Do you think maybe the coil size and the khz has anything todo with it? lol. I believe the compadre runs a bit hotter then the silver. However . take the houseing cover off each unit and have a looksy. Might surprise you what is inside both units. lol

 

[slingshot]

Yes-I too hope Monte chimes in but he's so busy with his own forum I doubt it. However, his posts are here if researched. Not only did the Compadre find the fine gold chains, but in areas where there was the high mineral pea gravel, the Compadre found a coin (penny, I believe) that the Silver and several other detectors wouldn't even beep on in a/m mode! I believe I can at least partially verify that after finding 3 nickels at 4" with the Compadre set at min. iron reject under a swing set that I've searched with many detectors for 30 years. They were soft signals, but gave a big enough profile to cause me to dig. The ground under this swing set is almost like a sheet of iron particles-sending many a detector into the null. The explanation given, to the best of my memory is that the Compadre doesn't have the low noise/high gain circuitry to interfere with the signal. It's a completely different animal. Thanks to this post, I went out over an area that I had searched with another detector yesterday and it was like magic again. 4-5 nickels, some at 4". Even found several quartes and an eagle figure that ALMOST was gold-at least it was gold colored. LOL. The downside? I found pulltabs at 5-6", every dang pencil ferrule, and can slaw the other detector didn't even notice. I think it's the best detector I've ever owned in my 35 years of detecting-but I dang sure pick my sites carefully.

 

[Sven]

Yes-I too hope Monte chimes in but he's so busy with his own forum I doubt it. However, his posts are here if researched. Not only did the Compadre find the fine gold chains, but in areas where there was the high mineral pea gravel, the Compadre found a coin (penny, I believe) that the Silver and several other detectors wouldn't even beep on in a/m mode! I believe I can at least partially verify that after finding 3 nickels at 4" with the Compadre set at min. iron reject under a swing set that I've searched with many detectors for 30 years. They were soft signals, but gave a big enough profile to cause me to dig. The ground under this swing set is almost like a sheet of iron particles-sending many a detector into the null. The explanation given, to the best of my memory is that the Compadre doesn't have the low noise/high gain circuitry to interfere with the signal. It's a completely different animal. Thanks to this post, I went out over an area that I had searched with another detector yesterday and it was like magic again. 4-5 nickels, some at 4". Even found several quartes and an eagle figure that ALMOST was gold-at least it was gold colored. LOL. The downside? I found pulltabs at 5-6", every dang pencil ferrule, and can slaw the other detector didn't even notice. I think it's the best detector I've ever owned in my 35 years of detecting-but I dang sure pick my sites carefully.

Yeah, I probably need to break down and get a Compadre and see what I'm missing, heck the wife may like it better than the Silver....

 

[slingshot]

Not saying it's a miracle detector or the best-just unbelievable for the price. And yeah-like the wife's gonna be using it the most.

 

[TXPIRATE]

I just bought another Compadre i should have not sold the first one. The Compadre was on back order which to me speaks loud and clear about the word being out there this is one hot detector for the money. With my bad back its all I need.