Cs 6PI

[Draco]

Hello, I have just received my first detector of pulses, it is a question of one c scope cs 6PI. But I do not achieve that area becomes stable in ningun, there is algun way of doing it?. Or maybe it it is necessary to fit in the plate.? The detector in question is 12 years old, but it is preserved well.
Thank you and a greeting.

 

[ivanll]

If the instruction manual can be of help to you, follow the link.

http://www.csmetaldetectors.com/repository/manual/CS6PI.pdf

 

[Draco]

Thank you Ivan, the manual it is the well-read one often, but I continue without being able to stabilize it, it(he,she) is as if the soil (any soil, enclosed walls) was of metal, is all the time whistling. The manual says that it(he,she) is very stable, but it does not seem to happen to him(her) to the mio. Does someone know for that it(he,she) can be?. I have observed that there are certain differences in the plates that I have seen of the same device, in some there are two changeable resistances and in the mio three. Does someone know in order that they can be?. Thank you.

Gracias Ivan, el manual lo he leido muchas veces, pero sigo sin poder estabilizarlo, es como si el suelo (cualquier suelo, incluso paredes) fuese de metal, est

 

[Reg]

Hi Draco,

The manual leaves quite a few things out that need to be known. First, because the CS 6 is a PI, it will be much more susceptible to external interference. Electrical items such as TV's, computers, or other electronic equipment, or maybe even an auto driving by can cause the detector to have an erratic threshold if they are close enough. Certain radio signals can be a big problem also.

Also, when the frequency control is set to minimum or near minimum, the ground can cause a signal when the coil is lowered. You have to sweep the coil and try to keep the coil at an even height above the ground to minimize this ground response.

The frequency control is often adjusted just a little to minimize noise problems. This means that the control should be adjusted slightly and slowly to try to find the adjustment where there is minimal noise.

With the frequency control at minimum, most metals will sound off when the coil passes over them. If you turn the frequency control clockwise, more and more, some of the low conductive metals such as foil or even smaller gold will no longer cause a response. Fortunately, silver and copper objects will still cause a good signal.

So, if the detector is working ok, then it will just be a matter of fully learning how to adjust and use it.

Now, there are 2 adjustable resistors called potentiometers in the early model CS 6's that were sold here in the U.S.. I am not sure about the third one you have on your PI. Please do not adjust any of them. I don't know what the middle potentiometer does, but the other two have very critical adjustments which may cause the detector to not work if adjusted improperly. These controls will not help with reducing any noise problems. Instead, they will cause the detector to not work or not work properly if adjusted improperly.

I hope this helps.

Reg

 

[Draco]

Thank you very much Reg, I have learned something more on this device. I have seen that is capable enough to external interferences, and it(he,she) suffers from effect I occur, see that it is necessary to sweep to the same height of the soil or otherwise fluctua the sign.
Do not worry Reg, it(he,she) would not touch ningun potenci

 

[Dave J.]

Los detectores mas viejos PI no tenian la habilidad de balanzar nos senales de la tierra. En la mayoria de suelos no hay mucho sonido, pero en las rocas volcanicas (basalto, rhyolite, etc.) con los granos de magnetito de tamano microscopico, en las climas templadas el contenido te ferrita oxida a maghemita, que produce un senal como si fuera metal. Los suelos derivados de tales rocas llevan su color rojo o "brown" por el contenido de ese maghemita. Por eso los suelos tambien suenan como metal.

Las mas advanzadas (de mas recien diseno) detectores PI pueden balanzar tales senales.

--Dave J.

The older PI detectors don't have the ability to balance ground signals. In the majority of soils there isn't much sound, but in volcanic rocs (basalt, rhyolite, etc.) with magnetite grains of microscopic size, in mild climates the iron content oxidizes to maghemite, which produces a signal as though it were metal. Soils derived from such rocks have their red or brown color from their content of this magnemite. For this reason the soils also sound like metal.

The more advanced (of more recent design) PI detectors can balance such signals.

 

[Draco]

Thank you very much Dave, now I remain calmer. A greeting.

Muchas gracias Dave, ahora me quedo m

 

[Eric Foster]

Hi Draco,

One of the worst areas to search is the Canary Islands, because as you say, the volcanic basalts. I have taken PI detectors there and given up on many beaches because of the black volcanic sand. The only beaches where I did well was on the island of Fuerta Ventura. The sand there is not highly mineralised. A detector like the TDI should do well as the signal from the sand can be tuned out. It has performed well on beaches in Hawaii, where the problems are similar.

Eric.

 

[Draco]

Thank you very much Eric by his information, I was leido that you have been in our islands. The truth is that it made illusion me have a detector designed by you. I have been some years put in the detection, but never in the induction of pulses, so I wanted to have one of reputation, but due to my inexperience with the Pi, she did not count on the disadvantage of the mineralization by iron and basalt. With other detectors already it is quite difficult to detect here, but that makes me have more experience when I leave outside the islands. Thanks and a greeting. Frank.

 

[pennyweight]

Hi Eric & Reg,
another obvious consideration is to advise Frank of a ground balance modification. Reg, I have already emailed you regarding
a similar requirement. With your previous mods to increase this units performance, a ground balance plus an autotune function...this would be a very useful and cheap unit.

How would anyone go about adding a GB and fast autotune to this unit. From all accounts I've heard, the CS6 was one of Eric's most favored achievements. Also, do you think that the control box could be hipmounted? Reg and/or Eric....any advice? Cheers, Dwt

 

[Eric Foster]

Hi Dwt,

The CS6PI is similar circuitry to the Beachscan, both of which were made some years ago now. A later development is the Goldquest which has also gone through two or three versions.The major changes since the CS6PI is the ability to sample at 10uS, the addition of a variable SAT control, and a switchable two stage autotune filter, plus you can use DD coils for all but highly mineralised ground. What you need therefore is the addition of ground balancing to the latest Goldquest system. Hmmm!

See the latest Goldquest SS v3 details by clicking on the Surfscanner banner above.

Eric.

 

[Draco]

Hello Eric, could be made some modification cs6pi? , The Sat, autotune, filters

 

[BIGOINK]

here is a circuit diagram for the cs6pi if you need it.

 

[Draco]

Thank you very much Bigoink I will watch, it to see that I can do.

 

[Turtleman]

Eric
The very first detector that I owned many years ago was the CS6Pi, which I bought after several months of research and probably influenced by some of your articles.
Unfortunately I don't think I ever fully understood the PI concept and how to properly tune it. Although I did dig some very small pieces of wire at pretty incredible depths.
C-Scope now has a unit out called the CS4PI I think. Is that also one of your designs, and if so how does it compare to the CS6?
The other request I have is, would it be possible to make a sketch of how a PI works and how the different controls effect the function of the detector? I don't mean graphs,
but just a hand drawn sketch. I'm very visual and when I read instruction or when I listen to someone explain a concept it take a long time for it to sink in. But if I see a drawing or can get my hands on it and take it apart and put it back together i understand it almost immediately.
Anyway, I, not sure it's possible to do that but would certainly help me if you could.
Really enjoy reading your comments on the different forums.

Thanks

 

[kristof]

Hi
I'am a new french member on this PI forum. I've just baught a CS6PI and I need a little help for the settings.
I got only VLF machines and The PI technologie is new for me. Can somebody tell me more about this machine.
The utilisations will be ground and dry sand.
Thank you

 

[ocean]

Hi kristof, the original pdf manual for this is in post2 for this subject,an is easy to follow,as a basic unit
I looking to buy one of these older units myself,but no sellers yet?Good Luck !
Regards ,ocean

 

[Draco]

Hello Ocean, I have cs6pi and would be arranged to sell it, since now I have and GS5. If you are interested please send me a private e-mail. Frank.

 

[ocean]

Hi draco,yes i am interested!,I have sent you a private message here on these forums,about details,thank you very much!
ocean

 

[ocean]

thanks draco,you are very helpfull ,i now have the cs6 machine ive been looking for,a great deal,an works well,stuck meter replaced an all going into a new case.
I like it. ocean.