CTX 3030 compared to Manticore

[squirrel1]

CTX owners. Hmm. You might want to look at this video.

 

[squirrel1]

 

[Nauti]

I'm sorry bud but these tests prove absolutely nothing because if you bury the targets in the ground,as they are in reality and have been in the ground for years in most cases,everything changes.
Tests in air give totally different results from targets in the ground whether you are testing depths,recovery speed or masking.

 

[squirrel1]

 

[squirrel1]

I'm sorry bud but these tests prove absolutely nothing because if you bury the targets in the ground,as they are in reality and have been in the ground for years in most cases,everything changes.
Tests in air give totally different results from targets in the ground whether you are testing depths,recovery speed or masking.

Then don’t watch them then. I have my opinion on these tests. And I show them. Do they show something.. yep!!
Btw, I am no rookie when it comes to detectors or metal detecting.

 

[Nauti]

What do they show then.....in relation to targets that are buried in the ground.I've done all these tests in the past and then mirrored the same tests with buried targets in a mature test garden.....the results don't match at all in most cases,totally innacurate.
Im no rookie either,i've been detecting for 40 years and done all the tests under the sun.......testing targets in air doesn't prove a thing.My problem with such tests is that some people may overlook certain models after watching these videos when they can perform differently on in ground targets.

 

[squirrel1]

Here’s Etrac doing exactly what I have been showing with CTX on in ground target. IH coin beside nail.
Watch both videos. Remember Etrac doesn’t offer the tone pitch options CTX offers.

 

[Nauti]

 

[squirrel1]

You should go look at what I discovered with Deus 2 hf2 coil using that foam.
I can select dig for gold rings or ring enclosure targets and dodge canslaw and foil.
And I took it to the wild 3 times and showed video.
Guess what?
Practically mirrored in the wild what I saw on that foam. Hmm
Bet this will roll your eyes too!

Yeah I’ll leave the foil and can slaw for someone else to dig.

 

[Nauti]

How long have the nail and coin been in the ground.

 

[Southwind]

I think most detectorists have figured out that staged air tests have little relevance to in-the-wild hunting. It is the reason we find "missed" coins in places we have searched for many years. Conditions change.

 

[LTDigger]

First just watch Calabash Diggers video because he compares each of these machines and draws the same conclusions. I have both machines and the Manticcore is a much better machine. The 3030 is much slower due to too many bells and whistles. its weight will drive you to bankrupcy when it needs repair. The Manticore is much easier to operate once you learn the settins. My only complaint is both machines are harder to set up tone breaks and discremination compared to other manufactures and other folks have noticed this about Minelab.

 

[Southwind]

First just watch Calabash Diggers video because he compares each of these machines and draws the same conclusions. I have both machines and the Manticcore is a much better machine. The 3030 is much slower due to too many bells and whistles. its weight will drive you to bankrupcy when it needs repair. The Manticore is much easier to operate once you learn the settins. My only complaint is both machines are harder to set up tone breaks and discremination compared to other manufactures and other folks have noticed this about Minelab.

I've had them both. Yes, I do like the Maniticore weight and design, but that doesn't make a difference in finding coins. I felt the CTX was every bit as deep, if not a tad bit deeper, than the Manticore. It really depends on what you're looking for. I've had the best of the best, and when it comes to pure depth on silver, I preferred the CTX. When it comes to some of the other abilities, it varied from the 800 to the D2 or Maniticore.

For example. The D2 has them all beat when it comes to ergonomics, but the screens are lacking in size.

I really don't care to hear the same old song & dance about air tests meeting in the wild coins that have been there for 50+ years. I know better than that. Sometimes they might compare. Other times, they are nothing alike. The thing is, each top machine has its strengths & weaknesses, none of which can be proven except live in the field conditions. The Maniticore has the best target ID, with the 2D screen, in my opinion, but like all the other top contenders, its main advantage is only good from 8" and less. A coin that has been buried for 100 years and is now at 8" to 10" The CTX will hit it, or not, just as well as the other top macines. Buring a fresh 10" silver dime is not going to prove a dam thing. It takes a coin at normal conditions for being buried for 100 years to compare accurately, and even then it is a maybe.

 

[Rick(ND)]

I feel the same way that a coin in the ground for many years will be difference that air test or burying a coin in the ground and see what it can do with test items.. this is 50 years of experience saying this. This is also true with any metal in the ground, the last for me was a gold ring that was deep with my Sovereign as it was a decent signal and acted like a pull tab beaver tail, but when it was out of the ground I went over it and also didnt get it as it was breaking up and found out that my disc was set to high to reject the small pieces of alum foil, the gold was right at that area of disc and could have missed it by what it read in air test of coins I had buried. I seen this again with my Troy Shadow. X5 as I buried a dime at 5 inches and couldn't pick it and I know I dug silver dimes deeper than that in normal detecting and ask Troy about this and was told any detector will not read correctly if fresh buried. You just have to learn this from experience not to take a air test and actual coin in the ground for years reading the same.

 

[squirrel1]

Yeah.
A mere 2 inch deep gold ring could be walked right by huh.
You think burying a gold ring and one nail for 30 years at 2” deep is going to change things. Hmm
Wonder what the average depth is of most gold rings dug in soil? Hmm
You sweep around in a site that doesn’t even have hardly any iron. And leave a mere 2” deep gold ring mask by one measly 16 penny nail. Just because you didn’t sweep from the right direction.
And then someone comes in and finds the ring later.
Hmm
What I am showing is part of the reason finds are found later after a site is hunted. Hmm

 

[Nauti]

A measley nail expands,cracks and flakes after being in the ground for years and leeches iron minerals into the surrounding soil so can mask even a decent target.When iron has been in the ground for years it becomes far more difficult to discriminate against and its "masking" qualities become greater.We used to have a famous detectorist over here who liked to do tests in air,one was when he took a basic detector and showed how it could discrim out a horseshoe but still detect a small hammered coin......wow.However had that horseshoe have been buried for 30 odd years......in the ground.......it would easily have overcome the discrim on the detector nso what was the point of showing that particular "in air"test......totally useless,just like most air tests or tests on freshly buried targets.
Anyway,ignore us lot......your tests will be useful for somebody who wants to purchase a metal detector for finding targets on top of a block of foam.

 

[squirrel1]

Laughable.
Multi freq was made for what. Helping detect in higher mineral soil.
Wonder how many currently 2” deep gold rings in USA have been buried for 150 years? Hmm
Actually I can make a case it’s harder to hunt some areas in USA vs Europe. Why?
The iron inn Europe has decayed to the point due to its age it’s lost mass hence lost some of its masking abilities.
How old is the oldest iron on average in USA you reckon?
How long does it take a 16 penny nail to decay and lose 50 percent of its mass? Or a square nail buried in 1800?
Listening to you how would even a 6” deep target even be found in a farm field in Europe. Hmm
Not all good finds are deep either.
Two of the the four oldest full coins I have located were a mere 4” deep. Dated 1845.

Hunting in high mineral (natural soil) is a different animal even without a nail being involved or decomposing ferrous material.

 

[D&P-OR]

Yeah.
A mere 2 inch deep gold ring could be walked right by huh.
You think burying a gold ring and one nail for 30 years at 2” deep is going to change things. Hmm
Wonder what the average depth is of most gold rings dug in soil? Hmm
You sweep around in a site that doesn’t even have hardly any iron. And leave a mere 2” deep gold ring mask by one measly 16 penny nail. Just because you didn’t sweep from the right direction.
And then someone comes in and finds the ring later.

A measley nail expands,cracks and flakes after being in the ground for years and leeches iron minerals into the surrounding soil so can mask even a decent target.When iron has been in the ground for years it becomes far more difficult to discriminate against and its "masking" qualities become greater.We used to have a famous detectorist over here who liked to do tests in air,one was when he took a basic detector and showed how it could discrim out a horseshoe but still detect a small hammered coin......wow.However had that horseshoe have been buried for 30 odd years......in the ground.......it would easily have overcome the discrim on the detector nso what was the point of showing that particular "in air"test......totally useless,just like most air tests or tests on freshly buried targets.
Anyway,ignore us lot......your tests will be useful for somebody who wants to purchase a metal detector for finding targets on top of a block of foam.

Hmm
What I am showing is part of the reason finds are found later after a site is hunted. Hmm

A measley nail expands,cracks and flakes after being in the ground for years and leeches iron minerals into the surrounding soil so can mask even a decent target.When iron has been in the ground for years it becomes far more difficult to discriminate against and its "masking" qualities become greater.We used to have a famous detectorist over here who liked to do tests in air,one was when he took a basic detector and showed how it could discrim out a horseshoe but still detect a small hammered coin......wow.However had that horseshoe have been buried for 30 odd years......in the ground.......it would easily have overcome the discrim on the detector nso what was the point of showing that particular "in air"test......totally useless,just like most air tests or tests on freshly buried targets.
Anyway,ignore us lot......your tests will be useful for somebody who wants to purchase a metal detector for finding targets on top of a block of foam.

You just as well save your breath guys---there's no way you are going to teach/explain to this "hmm" kid the facts of reality.---He's living in his own little dream world!

 

[squirrel1]

Let’s ask this question.
Mr Dankowski got Deus 2 detector.
Never even took it in the wild I initially
His remarks about the detector was flagship unmasker after doing some kind of testing.
He did say he needed to take it into the wild.
And after he did go to the wild and use Deus 2 he didn’t change his mind.
So what tests did he do initially to render his initial thoughts?
He’s not old enough to have buried some nails 150-200 years ago with some nonferrous targets snd know where he buried them. He’s actually my age.
Yeah.
How did he do that exactly?

You can go read about this on his old forum.

 

[squirrel1]

Even the amount of rainfall an area receives on average of the years can drive how long iron/nails will continue to have detrimental effects as far as masking.
How long would it take a square nail buried in desert in southern Arizona to decay?
Vs near coast of NC?
Hmm
Hell a car without paint won’t even rust in Tucson or Phoenix hardly.
Same car near coast in NC would rot down in a few years.