CZ-3D To Dig or Not To Dig - That is the Question

[okie-colin]

In my hunted out NE Oklahoma City, the only good coins are left in the trashy areas, or so I am told by the old timer MDers. I have developed a method of hunting in the trash that has brought only limited success, but has limited my trash digging. I set the discrimination on four and hunt in the enhanced mode until I hear a repeatable, high tone signal. Before I dig, I turn the discrimination down to zero and scan again to listen for iron signals. If I hear any I don't dig as it is usually a nail. I may also switch over to the Salt mode to see if the signal goes over to zinc penny. If it passes all these test I dig it up. Great, but I still am not having much luck finding and pulling old coins out of the iron and aluminum trash. I should also mention that I occasionally get signals that won't pinpoint at all. According to the 3D manual I should pass those by also, but I wonder if those are deep targets I am missing? I also bought a sniper coil, but that hasn't helped much either. I often hear good signals mixed with iron and pull tab tones that just confuse the heck out of me. How do I use my CZ-3D to hunt these areas successfully? Your help and suggestions would be welcome. I have been at this pretty steady for several months.

 

[chuck ky]

if it goes to zinc in the salt mode do you dig it. if its an old park its a pretty good chance that its an indian head penny.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

and experience on those judgement call iffy signals. its hard to explain but the more of them you investigate the better you will get a making an educated dig, no-dig decision. Basically look for repeatability of the good tone and if it repeats within a couple inches of the same spot on each well centered pass, go for it. Many of these type targets will only hit from one angle, so forget the turning 90 degress thing if you want to find what others have missed.

HH Tom

 

[BJ in Okla.]

n/t

 

[Anonymous]

I seem to dig some iffy targets, just to see what they are. Probably greater than 75% of the time, I can call it as a coin or a nail. I did get fooled today by a bent nail at a sidewalk construction, but C'est la Vie!

It seems to me, on my CZ-5, that coins, even deep, tend to hit harder than an iron false. Tom's right though, when it comes to co-located targets, You can't trust the turn 90

 

[okie-colin]

Yes, I usually dig it. No IHs yet, only a bucket full of zinc pennies.

 

[okie-colin]

Thanks Tom and Allen. I wonder how many good coins I have left in the ground by only digging 90 degree repeatable signals? That is valuable info.

Colin - Oklahoma

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Experience in the field is where its at...Am sure there are many personal ways to tell and those that investigate learn quickly...basically all depends if getting a lots of hits only go for repeatble targets, but indeed real deepies may not repeat or you will have a heck of a time making them repeat..I feel investiating from the top beats digging 8-10 inch holes and just might go to Mikes CZ page which contains a lot of good tips no matter what model CZ you have...

 

[okie-colin]

A few follow ups please. No one has commented on my question about pin pointing. If I hear a faint or medium high tone signal that won't pin point at all, what does that mean? Is the pinpointer mode less sensitive to a deep target than regular discrimination mode? Since PP is all metal. I would think the opposite is true. Is the Fisher manual correct when it says abandon those signals that won't pin point? Also where can I find ?Mike's CZ Hint page"? Thanks to all who have replied.

Colin - Oklahoma

 

[okie-colin]

A few follow ups please. No one has commented on my question about pin pointing. If I hear a faint or medium high tone signal that won't pin point at all, what does that mean? Is the pinpointer mode less sensitive to a deep target than regular discrimination mode? Since PP is all metal. I would think the opposite is true. Is the Fisher manual correct when it says abandon those signals that won't pin point? Also where can I find ?Mike's CZ Hint page"? Thanks to all who have replied.

Colin - Oklahoma

 

[BJ in Okla.]

Better come to Oklahoma for the winter. <BR> We compare a lot of signals with our CZ's and other units. I have hunted with some people that only dig a 4 way hit or a 2 way hit, we have dug some 1 way hits that were in with a rusty nail or something small and rusty.The last one turned out to be a 1894 Barber quarter with a small rusty wire in the same hole. You don't know, if you don't dig it. HH..BJ

 

[Anonymous]

it just won't register a target. What I do, is move the coil away, let it rest a second, press the pinpoint and hold it for just half a second, then come back over the target. Usually that works.

Many times, I get a High Coin false from a piece of iron that may be as far away as 2". This is one of the reasons why I like to do a 4-way cross over the target. If I get a louder Iron hit an inch or so away from my High Coin hit, it's usually a false. I will ocassionally get a coin close to a piece of iron, and to me, that's when experience comes to play. To me, coins just seem to hit a little harder than an offset iron false will.

HH from Allen in MI

 

[Anonymous]

I doubt it's going to be this winter, probably next, Febuary 2007.

Question about using multiple detectors:
I know that when you get two CZ's within about 20' of each other, that they crosstalk something fierce. However, I remember reading somewhere that you can also experience loss of depth when another CZ is within 50' or even further. Have you ever experienced this?

I'm not really worried about having a cross-talk issue with another CZ around here, as I haven't seen any other CZ's except my two.

HH from Allen in MI

 

[BJ in Okla.]

I read the same post about the CZ's. I have a CZ 3D and a CZ 70 and a old Sovereign XS. I use the Sovereign when we are hunting in a small area. The person that I hunt with use's a CZ 6A and a CZ 7a pro. I also have a friend that has a CZ 5 and a test area, one of these days I will see if it make's any difference on depth. Don't you also have a 1236 x ? Our high Sat. is 67 and 54 for Sunday. Come on down. We will be hunting in OKC tomorrow. HH..BJ

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Heres Mikes CZ page...http://mikewd.fws1.com/......on real deepies sometimes tough to pinpoint so sometimes dig a -5 in plug and it will if its a coin. Guess it depends on your ground and if its really a coin or a side signal gotten from a larger object. Personall think the Disc. mode is a little deeper and I run my volume at 10..Easier to play with the signal from the top from several directions and on a 10 inch plus silver dime you just may have to. Beats digging a crater for a rusty nail....

 

[Anonymous]

a 1235X and a CZ-20. I may have to take both CZ's into the field, locate a deepie, then have my other half fire up the 20 and stand off enough for me to test that.

She also says that if we come down there, odds are, she will not allow me to return to MI. She'd rather leave MI. I wanted to get out of OK for awhile.

HH from Allen in MI