We all know foil is the hot spot for thin womans gold rings with nice stones so might try this ...if you are looking for shallow gold rings and area has a lot of foil put your unit in salt mode.. If you get a foil hit raise your coil and it will become very weak on most foil while a ring will still hit hard...No sure way to tell a gold ring from foil but this certainly cuts down the odds....get in an area where deep silver is possible just switch back to regular mode... actually by not digging one tab variety still getting probably getting 50 percent of the gold rings if you dig the coin facets..Most parks I hunt would never get off my knees if I dug all the various pulltab hits....
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CZ gold ring tip...
- Thread starter Dan-Pa.
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I have a question about the pulltab readouts. I just started using my CZ6A in the park and I really like this detector. It is very stable and not subject to much EMI like one of the newer Fishers I have. I'm still in the learning stage however.
The beaver tail tab readout is new to me but seems to be quite accurate. I've dug a lot of beaver tails in the last few weeks which are not nearly as numerous as the other tab varieties.
My question is this : How does an intact beaver tail tab relate to a nickle? Most of the newer variety tabs are slightly to a lot higher than a nickle. I pretty much ignore regular tab hits as the odds of the thing being a gold ring are pretty slim. In fact I read where a post once where a guy that had been detecting for thirty years never once found a gold ring digging a pulltab readout. It could happen however as we all know.
Harvdog
The beaver tail tab readout is new to me but seems to be quite accurate. I've dug a lot of beaver tails in the last few weeks which are not nearly as numerous as the other tab varieties.
My question is this : How does an intact beaver tail tab relate to a nickle? Most of the newer variety tabs are slightly to a lot higher than a nickle. I pretty much ignore regular tab hits as the odds of the thing being a gold ring are pretty slim. In fact I read where a post once where a guy that had been detecting for thirty years never once found a gold ring digging a pulltab readout. It could happen however as we all know.
Harvdog
Harvdog...in reading posts and articles by Tom Dankowski, who has worked on CZ's and helped design the CZ3D, he states that the 'nickel window' range of a CZ is the most accurate of all detectors. What's good ( and sometimes bad depending how one looks at it) is that the nickel gives a high tone. You have to read the meter to determine where the needle is on a high tone hit, but when the meter reads nickle, it almost always is.
I think a lot of tone ID detectors have a nickle hitting in pitch somewhere close to pull tabs/beaver tails.
So you can dig a lot of nickels without digging a lot of junk with a CZ just digging high tones. The problem with the older CZ's like the 6a is that some older nickles and Indian head pennies ID as mid tone. That is where the CZ3D comes in because it brings these coins, along with some gold, into the high tone hits when in enhanced mode. Contrastly, it also brings some trash into that high tone too, so that is why the caveat with the 3D is to use it in enhanced mode only in older, less trashy sites.
The 6a is my favorite detector of all time. Once you learn it, you will love it. Just make sure if you hunt in discriminate mode, to always use level 0 so you can hear ALL targets, including iron. Once you get used to that, things will begin to click and you will realize how to tell false hits of iron from the real good targets. If you run discriminate higher than 0, you will not hear the low iron tones and if some of the iron bleeds into the high tone, that is all you will hear and think it's a good target.
I never use my 6a in discriminate mode other than setting 0. Even if the site is littered with iron. I have pulled a lot of silver coins right next to iron with the small coil ( and stock coil) since I can listed to the iron and when I get a repeatable, mellow high tone hit, I know it's a coin.
Have fun with it...you will find out it's one of the best detectors ever !
JC
I think a lot of tone ID detectors have a nickle hitting in pitch somewhere close to pull tabs/beaver tails.
So you can dig a lot of nickels without digging a lot of junk with a CZ just digging high tones. The problem with the older CZ's like the 6a is that some older nickles and Indian head pennies ID as mid tone. That is where the CZ3D comes in because it brings these coins, along with some gold, into the high tone hits when in enhanced mode. Contrastly, it also brings some trash into that high tone too, so that is why the caveat with the 3D is to use it in enhanced mode only in older, less trashy sites.
The 6a is my favorite detector of all time. Once you learn it, you will love it. Just make sure if you hunt in discriminate mode, to always use level 0 so you can hear ALL targets, including iron. Once you get used to that, things will begin to click and you will realize how to tell false hits of iron from the real good targets. If you run discriminate higher than 0, you will not hear the low iron tones and if some of the iron bleeds into the high tone, that is all you will hear and think it's a good target.
I never use my 6a in discriminate mode other than setting 0. Even if the site is littered with iron. I have pulled a lot of silver coins right next to iron with the small coil ( and stock coil) since I can listed to the iron and when I get a repeatable, mellow high tone hit, I know it's a coin.
Have fun with it...you will find out it's one of the best detectors ever !
JC
Thanks for the good info JC.
I find myself reaching for the CZ6A almost exclusively these days. It is a great beach detector as well as a great park detector. The depth with the 10 1/2" coil fits my style ideally on the beach. I get about another inch of depth using the CZ with the 10 1/2" coil over the Sand Shark with the 8" coil. I guess I'm going to be lightening my detector load here shortly but I''ll be keeping the Sand Shark and my 1265. The turn on and go 1265 with an 8" coil makes for a great tot lot detector.
I'm still wondering about the conductivity of a beaver tail tab. I've dug a lot of them but haven't kept any to test with my numberical I.D. detector. I'm wondering if an intact beaver tail tab hits higher or lower than a nickel. My guess is they hit higher, maybe even higher than most newer variety tabs.
Another plus I've found with the CZ is that I can use a pistol probe around it without any interference. I can't get the pistol probe any where near my later model Fisher. With the later model I have to turn the machine off when I use the pistol probe.
The only thing I would change on the CZ6A would be to have a readout for a clad quarter.
Harvdog
I find myself reaching for the CZ6A almost exclusively these days. It is a great beach detector as well as a great park detector. The depth with the 10 1/2" coil fits my style ideally on the beach. I get about another inch of depth using the CZ with the 10 1/2" coil over the Sand Shark with the 8" coil. I guess I'm going to be lightening my detector load here shortly but I''ll be keeping the Sand Shark and my 1265. The turn on and go 1265 with an 8" coil makes for a great tot lot detector.
I'm still wondering about the conductivity of a beaver tail tab. I've dug a lot of them but haven't kept any to test with my numberical I.D. detector. I'm wondering if an intact beaver tail tab hits higher or lower than a nickel. My guess is they hit higher, maybe even higher than most newer variety tabs.
Another plus I've found with the CZ is that I can use a pistol probe around it without any interference. I can't get the pistol probe any where near my later model Fisher. With the later model I have to turn the machine off when I use the pistol probe.
The only thing I would change on the CZ6A would be to have a readout for a clad quarter.
Harvdog
Here are some ID numbers using the F75 LTD. The tail part of the beaver tail tab comes in as foil on the CZ6a, the round pop tab shows as pop tab on the CZ6a, the larger squarer pop tab flips between pop tab and beaver tail tab on the CZ6a. Generally the beaver tails with just the ring and no tail ID at 44 to 45 on the F75 and as beaver tails on the CZ6a. The rings are my wife's engagement ring and wedding band. They show as nickle and beaver tail tab respectively on the CZ6a.
Most of the gold I've found with metal detectors has been in the foil range, but knowing where my wife's rings fall, I dig the entire tab range too. They are just too close to the tabs to ignore.
Cheers,
tvr
Most of the gold I've found with metal detectors has been in the foil range, but knowing where my wife's rings fall, I dig the entire tab range too. They are just too close to the tabs to ignore.
Cheers,
tvr
Thanks for the info tvr.
That puts everything in perspective. Now for the toughest question of all. How do I put my coil over a gold ring and not a pulltab? (You don't have to answer that)
This leads into another area for discussion. We had a sales person come in with a small contraption that would read the percentages of each element in a piece of metal. As some of you may know I am a machinist by trade. The contraption worked beautifully. Is was a while back so I don't remember exactly what he made contact with the metal with but I think it was just a small probe.
The thing was too expensive so we did not end up purchasing it.
If you could incorporate that technology into a detector somehow, that would be awesome! If you saw on the readout...Au 60%, Cu 40% you'd be diggin' your butt off. My guess is the technology is right around the corner.
Harvdog
That puts everything in perspective. Now for the toughest question of all. How do I put my coil over a gold ring and not a pulltab? (You don't have to answer that)
This leads into another area for discussion. We had a sales person come in with a small contraption that would read the percentages of each element in a piece of metal. As some of you may know I am a machinist by trade. The contraption worked beautifully. Is was a while back so I don't remember exactly what he made contact with the metal with but I think it was just a small probe.
The thing was too expensive so we did not end up purchasing it.
If you could incorporate that technology into a detector somehow, that would be awesome! If you saw on the readout...Au 60%, Cu 40% you'd be diggin' your butt off. My guess is the technology is right around the corner.
Harvdog