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CZ3D question

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garyflal

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We are moving to an area around B'ham, AL. Heard the ground is pretty tuff on detectors because of the iron content. I'm thinking about purchasing a CZ3D and would like to get some input on how it would do there? I have an MXT and doubt it will be able to handle the ground.
I know a Minelab Sov. would work but I don't like all the tones. Would a mult. frequency detector work best. Will be hunting mostly for old coins and relics. Any help would be appreciated.
Gary
 
I live in Pa. and have hunted N.J. beaches with a high iron content and CZ's work quite well. Hopefully someone from the area will pipe in from the area you speak of..Actually CZ's do like iron and my ground is really high in mineralization so I can only relate to my areas..
Just might have to wait until you arrive to contact a local dealer as they are a great source of info or perhaps a local club will offer info as to what works better.Either of the above should give you the info and perhaps is the way to go. Come on guys someone has to be from the area and your knowledge would help...
 
I live near Birmingham;the ground conditions are quite variable.Some areas are rather mineralized while others are on the mild side.I have an MXT and it does OK here.Members of our club mostly use Whites and Tesoros with some Explorer and Troy X-5 users.If you get another detector and plan to do urban hunting focus on one which handles trashy conditions well.I like my IDX Pro and 1265X for that but there are other choices.
 
My experience-I went down to hunt an early planation site in Danville, VA this Spring. I took my CZ-70 and 3D with me. The soil was a heavy iron clay soil that was terrible to even try to ground balance. I met with another even more experienced TH'er who also hunted with a CZ-70. We had to keep checking to see if we were groundbalancing the same which we did. A fair number of good finds were had but only with the CZ-70's. The 3D simply could not handle this type of soil well at all. I tried using it for 2 days until I just gave up and used my CZ-70...then I started making good finds again. I do think the 3D is a super detector, particularly in better non iron-rich soils. Frankly, not every detector can be used in all locations and soil types. Some simply are better than others. I would still choose a CZ-70. They are still available. Hope this helps...HH
 
I think Gary got some good info from you and area members..Have to agree on one thing...some say a CZ is a CZ( well they are not) and found the CZ3D to be a different beast than than the CZ70.Do remember even if using two alike CZ's they may not ground balance at the same number but are properly ground balanced( certainly don't know the technical aspects) hunt two CZ's close together and they will crosstalk like crazy and even if you move farther away they do affect each other so if hunting with a friend with a CZ I use another machine rather than hurt depth and stable performance on both CZ'...
 
Well I don't have much experience with anything but a CZ-3D, but I use mine in all types of soil from NE Oklahoma's more neutral soil to the highly mineralized soil of NW Arkansas, and some heavy clay in the lower elevations. It has always been easy to ground balance, goes deep and remains stable. As I have learned how to use this machine in trashy areas, my success ratio has recently greatly improved, from silver rings, some old copper and silver to civil war relics. I think a 3D might be harder to change over to if you first learned how to use CZ-70. Bottom line is whatever model you start with, stay with it until you learn it thoroughly.
 
Okie, thanks for the info. I did have a CZ-70 at one time but started with a CZ-20, mostly saltwater hunting. Since I'm use to the 4 tones, do you think a Coinstrike might be an option? Gary
 
Thanks Chris, good info. Like my reply to Okie, I had a CZ70 and probably should have kept it, the main thing I didn't like was the lack of a VDI meter. That's the one thing I really like about the MXT. When I'm just silver hunting the MXT is rarely off though the CZ70 found coins the MXT missed. Would you have any info on how a Coinstrike would do in highly mineralized soil? Gary
 
Dan your a wealth of information and not afraid to jump in. Makes for a good forum. You helped me out on the OTHER detector web site several years ago when I first started MDing. Thanks for the input. Gary
 
I have a Coin$trike and various types of soil. From pretty light down in the valley to really harsh up in the heights. It seems to do good for me and my area.

I talked to Nasa Tom about the CZ and the C$ awhile back. He uses both but basically said he didn't need a Coin$trike in Florida because he didn't have any mineralization to deal with.

The Coin$trike is a "find" detector. By that I mean that it is one of those you use because your research has lead you to a place and you pretty much have the location pinned down and you know what you are looking for is down there. You can use it as a "search" detector, but it really excels as a 'find' detector.

The C$ is one of those few machines that can be really tuned and stabilized to your ground and hunt environment. The Sensitivity & Threshold adjustments in conjunction with a separate iron discrimination work, and you can always find the optimum setting with just only a little effort.

I think you should check it out.

HH

Mike Hillis
 
Thanks Mike, good info. Now I'm wondering what advantages would a CZ3D have over a C$ other than an easier learning curve and being able to use Sun Ray's pointer (best after market item yet for MXT). HH Gary
 
Huntsville area, and I know what you mean. Most of the soil is gummy red clay, but occasionally I'll hit a spot that has sandy/loamy type soil. My detector inventory has gone from BH to Explorer to Fisher ID Excel to CZ70. The CZ70 is by far my favorite, and I have no intention on going to another machine. Ground balance is really a breeze using the bobbing method..just find a spot that's "clean" first. Once balanced, it runs smooth with little or no falsing. You won't go wrong with the 70.


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I currently have a CZ-70 and a 3D, along with a Minelab Explorer II. I've also had a Coinstrike which I sold to my hunting buddy who was using a DFX. He picked the Coinstrike up so naturally and did so well he bought it from me. I watched him dig a 10 inch roosie with it that I couldn't hear with my CZ-70 at a sensitivity of 6. He also dug numerous mercs, and old wheaties in his own yard that he missed/didn't hear with an Explorer XS, Tesoro, and DFX. This guy immediately "got it" and did very well. I also watched him dig a semi-key date 1870 IH that I walked over/didn't hear with my CZ-70 at an iron filled 1830's farmsite. I really don't know how it would react in heavy iron clay soil like we experienced in Southern Virginia. My buddy started with a White's XLT and could tell a silver dime from a clad one due to the VDI since it was right on but the accurate VDI was limited to four or so inches. He watched me dig 8 to 10 inch targets with my CZ-70 that he couldn't hear with his DFX. After the Coistrike experience, I realized that an accurate VDI depth is limited and digging repeatable high tones was what to listen for/dig since the VDI was not accurate kind of like a Minelab explorer after about 6 inches of depth or so. I found that the Coinstrike drove me a little crazy since the VDI jumped all over along with the tones which makes sense in trashy century home areas but it has super target separation if you have the patience once again kind of like an EX II. I personally don't like VDI and would prefer icons since it can bounce between icons but it is most often due to the conductivity or corrosion of the target. After a while, all of this makes alot of sense and hunting is usually a breeze AND fun which to me is what it's all about...HH
 
Wayne, somehow I goofed on the reply. Thanks for the input. CZ70 is a nice detector but to keep peace in the house I sold mine to buy a GB2 for a nugget hunting trip out west last year. Actually found 2 small (real small) nuggets the first day, then Hurricane Frances struck which made for very quick trip. HH
 
christopher-ohio Wrote:
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> ...I personally don't like VDI and would prefer
> icons since it can bounce between icons but it is
> most often due to the conductivity or corrosion of
> the target....


Chris I'm exactly the same way. That's one of the main reasons I moved from an ID Excel to a CZ70.


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Gary,I think that you should try your MXT in the B'ham area before you buy another detector,if the iron gives your Mxt a problem then it will also affect the Fisher also.I used a Whites 6000d series 2 for twenty years in the Anniston area especially in one local park and found many coins and artifacts in areas that were loaded with iron ore and scrap iron.Only the big pieces of iron gave me problems.I purchased a new CZ-5 and this same park gives the CZ-5 and me fits.It is so sensitive to small pieces of iron that it sounds like a machine gun when swept in these areas that are filled in with pipeshop soil even when using coins only discrimnation.In order to use the cz-5 in this park I have to find areas where iron is very limited.I'm not trying to knock Fisher products,just trying to say that there is a problem with areas that are heavy with iron.
 
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