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DEEPEST ''P I '' DETECTOR //?

WIN12MAN

New member
Uesd a ''Whites '' PI . 1000 years ago .. found tons of stuff gold rings .. tons of silver coins .. wondering what the

latest and greatest 'PI'' detector is /?

The old White pi 1000 was rugged ...easy to use .. never leaed or broke ... had great depth on targets .

Dug large class rings over { 25 } inches many times .


Any of new detectors better /?

Thanks
win
 
You are going to hear a lot of BS real quick.
I invite you to go visit various brand specific forums on your own.
I use a Detector Pro HeadHunter Pulse with a 11 inch coil.
It runs on two 9 volt batteries hooked in series so it is effectively operating on 18 volts as opposed to 8 AA batteries or 12 volts which most detectors use.
I'm going away now because the BS is about to begin.
 
ROBOCOP said:
You are going to hear a lot of BS real quick.
I invite you to go visit various brand specific forums on your own.
I use a Detector Pro HeadHunter Pulse with a 11 inch coil.
It runs on two 9 volt batteries hooked in series so it is effectively operating on 18 volts as opposed to 8 AA batteries or 12 volts which most detectors use.
I'm going away now because the BS is about to begin.

Hmmmmmm.....no BS yet Robocop. In fact, quite the opposite.
The post by Reg is all you will ever need to read on the subject.....end of story.
The beauty of the PI Classroom is that the (extremely infrequent) BS is quickly sent packing to the "other forums".

You need to get over this voltage issue....voltage is "electrical pressure". Different circuits require different voltages for things to work as the engineers designed.
Tony.
 
Robo ,


Didn't know i'd be opening up a can of worms ..> lol Like i said it's been many years sense i've been water hunting

just thought i might try it again . Thanks for the info on '' Pro Head Hunter '' detectors ... read some interesting reviews

on those machines ... they seem ''Leak prone '' ... but other wise great machines .

The old ''Whties PI 1000 '' was bullet proof .. one knob turned it on > tuned and ground balanced it ... had bone phone clicker

was was easy to tell when you had > Gold or Sliver coins ... ran on 8 - AA'S in a recharge pack .. never had any leak problems

tough old detectors , we worked in chest deep water most of the time . Do any of the new untis have bone phone clickers //?


Again Thanks

win :twodetecting:
 
Robo,

I am sorry you took Tony's posts wrong. He wasn't trying to pick on you. Tony has been active on this forum for many years and during those years, this forum was guided by an expert when it comes to the PI.

Unfortunately, today it is all too easy to find information that is not correct. In fact it is almost becoming rampant and part of the reason is because of the ease of starting and running a forum by someone with little or no knowledge. So today someone with little or no real experience or technical background can suddenly become considered an expert especially after starting a forum and running it for a while. The result quite often results in inaccurate info being posted. To someone who doesn't have the technical knowledge or background, it is difficult to sift through what is accurate and what is not.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are lots of forums that do provide a lot of good information and most people who do start forums do start them with good intentions.

Compound this with the fact that little information is out there about PI's and it gets worse. So, in defense of your thought that a higher voltage would produce a stronger signal, well that is the technique often used on VLF's and is often discussed. Want more depth on a VLF, simply increase the transmit voltage and you do gain depth.

Actually, this also holds true for a PI if nothing else is done. In fact, Eric Foster built something called an afterburner which increased the transmit voltage as a means of gain more depth. What was also needed though was a bigger and heavier battery.

In the case of the Head Hunter detector, the 9V batteries do provide a higher voltage, but they can't provide the necessary current to provide more power. In fact, 9V batteries can't come close to being able to output what 9V from AA batteries can. Since PI's work on coil currents rather than simply voltages, then we have to look at the picture from a different perspective. So, the assumption higher voltages should result in greater depths is really a very logical assumption.

Now, with that said, the HH detector also proves that a low powered PI can get remarkable depths of detection. So, it is a feat of unique design by itself.

Getting back to the issue where there was a difference of opinion, Tony is sort of like me. We both have been active on this forum for many years and during that time like me, he has used this time to gain knowledge and use experience to learn a lot about the strange but wonderful PI detector. Fortunately, for many years Eric Foster was a constant force guiding this forum and providing the wisdom which would help people like Tony learn. That is why I recommend people go back and read all the previous posts and glean the valuable information available for them.

When I visit a different forum all too often I read some of the information and know absolutely, the info is BS. Now, comes the difficult part as to what I should do. If I dispute it, usually the discussion is then more of a picking sides and the BS begins.

Today, most people don't want to defend their position with facts and quite often the so called facts they have read are really not facts but more often opinions and wrong ones at that. That is the big flaw with some forums today.

Someone comes along and reads something that is inaccurate and if it sounds logical that information is assumed to be fact. Now, if an unsuspecting person relates that information he believes is fact and someone challenges the information, very often people get defensive. That is just human nature.

This forum has a lot of facts that are true, especially if written by Eric Foster. However, I recently read a post on another forum where a person claimed Eric didn't know what he was talking about. We know this isn't true, but the guy who read something somewhere who has little or no experience with his PI challenged what Eric had written. What makes this a sad situation is without studying PI's from a historical perspective, all to often people have no idea who Eric really is or what he has accomplished in his lifetime.

Get down to someone like me who isn't well known to today's detector users and I am often challenged. I even had one guy call me an old man who never used a detector but only studied them. Now, this guy isn't as old as the number years I have actively used detectors. For many years I wrote for Lost Treasure in which I had a technical column as well as field tested many detectors. I eventually burned out and quit writing before this one guy even started using a detector.

Over the 20 plus years of nugget hunting mostly in AZ I managed to find a few hundred nuggets, most with a VLF but also quite a few with a PI. So, when I was accused of never using a detector or finding anything, I got steamed, somewhat like you did. So, I can relate to how you feel.

I can also tell you that it is difficult to admit when I am wrong. I can relate an issue where the discussion where I made a statement that was incorrect and was quickly put in my place politely. Yes, I got upset too. More importantly, I was determined to prove my point and set out to gather the facts. Well, the facts proved the other guy was right. I had made a determination based upon the detector I was using but that detector was limited, thus my thought process was incorrect.

So, everyone makes mistakes. If we didn't we wouldn't be human. Keep in mind that when it takes a year or so to develop or design a new detector, part of that time is figuring what works and what doesn't. What doesn't means we made an assumption and it wasn't correct. So, it is back to the drawing board to try another approach. This happens even to the best. If it didn't we would have a cure for all diseases and be riding around in vehicles that require no gas or other day to day energy to be used. Oh yeah, when we have to change directions it means we most likely made some mistake.

There is only one way to keep from making mistakes and that is to quit completely and this is something humans can't do while we are alive.

Now, one final note and that is there are a lot of forums providing a lot of valuable service and information. Forums such as the one where my article on how PI's work is one of them. The owner of the forum doesn't claim to have all the answers, especially if the answer requires a lot of technical knowledge. In fact, he is humble enough to state this when asked.

My point is, when someone reads something on a forum, it shouldn't be taken for the absolute truth. Instead it should be investigated to determine whether it really appears to work or is true. Even more important is to remember that what might be true for one detector may not work or work well for another.

Reg
 
I have always posted in good faith and always attempted to provide basic information based on my own experiences.
I am still perfectly capable of inserting AA batteries with the polarities the wrong way around and then cursing the detector for not working. I can tinker with very basic circuits and know how to solder quite well but there is no way possible that I could put batteries in a machine incorrectly.....:blink: Humble I am.

I can remember the first time I switched on my first PI detector and when my machine couldn't get 2 feet on a coin or gold ring, no matter what I did, then my machine was obviously faulty and I wanted it repaired....:ranting:
Why am I only getting a maximum of 13" to 14" on a (clean) US nickel or average men's wedding ring...........someone, somewhere owes me another 10" depth. Step in the mighty SD2000/2200 which I had used mainly for prospecting but decided to use on the beach every now and then. What the %*#! is going on here........14" depth was my barrier and I finally began to accept this but it gave me a great deal of frustration for some years.
I want to help the newcomer avoid the same mistakes that I did when depth on the beach was everything to me....I was obsessed with depth on the beach and have tried all of the big guns.....Goldquest, Deepstar, Minelab PI's and there's not much between these machines, maybe 2-3 inches.....the Deepstar was the champ with it's 11" coil and made the Minelab look quite ordinary.
So yes, posts with people saying they are getting 20" on a small piece of fish hook used to annoy me. I have posted in order to temper or counter this misinformation to at least give someone something to think about.
Well if you'll excuse me, I am off to the beach for some detecting...... I just need to load up those AA's carefully.....:nopity:

....and thank you Reg for your input over the years. I can only hope that anyone who swings a detector will somehow navigate to your posts as it will be the best thing they ever do if serious about this hobby.

Tony.
 
WIN12MAN said:
Robo ,


Didn't know i'd be opening up a can of worms ..> lol Like i said it's been many years sense i've been water hunting

just thought i might try it again . Thanks for the info on '' Pro Head Hunter '' detectors ... read some interesting reviews

on those machines ... they seem ''Leak prone '' ... but other wise great machines .

The old ''Whties PI 1000 '' was bullet proof .. one knob turned it on > tuned and ground balanced it ... had bone phone clicker

was was easy to tell when you had > Gold or Sliver coins ... ran on 8 - AA'S in a recharge pack .. never had any leak problems

tough old detectors , we worked in chest deep water most of the time . Do any of the new untis have bone phone clickers //?


Again Thanks

win :twodetecting:

Aquapulse AQ1B has a bone phone BUT minimum pulse delay is approximately 30
 
Responding to two posters here.

First, WIN12MAN. I'm with you on this one, I regard White's first PI as one of the best PI's ever built, and heck, I work for Fisher! In field testing I was less impressed with their Surfmaster or whatever the heck it was, that had an autotune circuit that reduced the wave swell effect but made the thing unusable in the ankle-deep zone.

Second..... a trade secret almost revealed........... PI's can if so designed knock out salt, and by their nature tend to knock out magnetite, but put the two things together and ...... then you know what I learned back in my "Los Banos Fisher" days when the beach was only a couple of hours away. 'Nuff said about that.........

Third..... Reg, you've done it again. Reading your posts on forums is a rather different thing from reading your essays in paper print publications. The latter are worth reading for sure, but the muzzle is firmly installed. Paper print media is important and has its role to play for sure, but the forums are a different animal and you're a [size=large]much[/size] better read here! Thank you.

We both have our own personal reasons for knowing what youngsters don't know, which is that we're mortal beings without much time left to either give it away or take it to the grave with us. The question that confronts us is how to give the most away while we have it to give.

Two thousand years ago...... oops, wrong forum!
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--Dave J.
 
Hi Dave,

Thanks for the kind words. However, I would like to say that you are the one who has a lot more information to share than I do.

That is why I am splitting the "CodFisher" discussion from the Deepest PI detector and giving it a life of its own. Hopefully, you will provide a little more detailed information about this unique detector.

Reg
 
well i have a whites duel field and like it very much i use it in the water only i find rings all most every trip to the beach here is the best advise i have for a PI big scoop recover target fast and keep swinging
 
Hi guys, never been on this forum before and don't know if I read fast enough to stay long...and I do not know much about the PI machines as I have only owned one in my lifetime...and you may not believe this but the Sea Hunter by Garrett found
a piece of what i call Piano wire at about 22 inches...the wire was about 12 inches long and I could not believe I found It....as for the other machines I cannot compare it to them for depth or anything else as i am new to water detecting.....
I have a CZ 70 Pro I have been using for about 5 yrs in hard dirt and got tired of all the hard digging and I am glad to be at the beach the eyes get a good work out along with the rest of me. All you experienced guys can give him great information
but for the price the Sea Hunter Mark II works great for me...Just a thought.

Thanks,

Elton
 
Was there a grand piano attached to that length of piano wire?.....:goodnight:

Just for the record.......I have and use the Garrett SeaHunter MKII.....a great detector it is.

Tony.
 
My experience with Pulse star 2 pro ...i can tell you is a great deep detector also for use with large coils 1x1 2x2 3x3 meters...used by many pro treasure hunters...there are tests on youtube for a comparison on many PI"s ...i allways look there too...

kind regards
marius
 
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