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Do all detectors hit tabs as hard nickels...
- Thread starter Hightone
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undrpar
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what numbers are you digging...when i get a 28 vdi ..its almost always a nickel..the other day i dug 10 nickles to 2 pulltabs..and the pulltabs were a little jumpy on vdi..nickel hits hard at 28 vdi..my brother uses an etrac and he asked me to check a target for him and sure enough .. a nickle..if i don't see 28 i don't dig..(this is with a f75 ltd)
MarkCZ
Well-known member
No its not just Fishers! everyone has trouble with those tabs. The problem with the tabs is their supposed to be just a little higher than a nickel, but that's an average tab in perfect condition. If they get bent, they hit different, if its a little smaller they hit lower. The pull & toss tabs are the worse for me, the tab straight is good, bend it, its different, break the tab off and its lower, twist it up, clip it with a mower, and the report back is different. Tabs can dance around the nickel range and make it near impossible to sort them out in the ground from nickels. And its always been a problem sense they came to be in 1965 (pull & Toss) the sta-tabs came to be in 1975. I've had Whites, Teknetics, Fisher's, Tesoro's, Bounty Hunters, if your looking for in the ground nickels in an area where there is a lot of tabs then good luck! its not possible to sort out just the Nickels from the tabs. Now, if you've spent some time in the same area and watch the numbers for the nickels and the tabs real close then you can do better at sorting them out. At best for me in doing this is I have increased my nickel finds somewhat, but I'm still digging a LOT of tabs. (The sta-tabs are a little less of a problem)
Another problem I've found with Nickels and some detectors is after they get a few inches in the ground they start to go up the ID scale and fair amount, I've got a test garden (well seasoned now) and the 5" nickel with some of the Detectors I've had will ID at the Zinc penny range?
The six inch one goes a little higher. My Tejon seems to hold pretty close on the discrimination range at depth. With the ones I had that did this they would do the same thing air testing them, they would ID good out to about 4" or so, then start to clime from there until they just drop off. No! the other US coins don't do that, or I haven't found any that did.
Mark
Another problem I've found with Nickels and some detectors is after they get a few inches in the ground they start to go up the ID scale and fair amount, I've got a test garden (well seasoned now) and the 5" nickel with some of the Detectors I've had will ID at the Zinc penny range?
The six inch one goes a little higher. My Tejon seems to hold pretty close on the discrimination range at depth. With the ones I had that did this they would do the same thing air testing them, they would ID good out to about 4" or so, then start to clime from there until they just drop off. No! the other US coins don't do that, or I haven't found any that did.
Mark
If I use 4H tones with the F70 wit the 10" elliptical, the tabs get real chirpy after pinpointing and getting right on them and give off an occasional mid tone and drop to a 28 when rimming the target. Other wise my nickels usually come in a 31 or 32 down to about 6" deep. 60 sens. -2 or -3 threshold 4 discrimination.-Hope this helps.----IB
My LTD with a 30/31 reading was more often then not a nickel. If I would get several 30/31 readings on deeper hits, it still quite frequently was a nickel. An 28/29 was on occasion was a worn V or Buffalo. MarkCZ summed up the tab nickel situation good. Unfortunately, there are few perfect tabs out there. HH jim tn
REVIER
Well-known member
Sta-tabs hit around nickel for me, most normal beaver tails usually come in a little higher.
If those nickel tabs are a solid signal I dig every one.
I have dug many gold targets from 28-35 on my Fishers so I always dig email all.
Most are still tabs, but not all of them.
If those nickel tabs are a solid signal I dig every one.
I have dug many gold targets from 28-35 on my Fishers so I always dig email all.
Most are still tabs, but not all of them.
I dig everything that is a repeatable signal as well. The round end of those broke off beavertails really imitate nickels well but the stay/pull tab rings will usually fart to a mid tone for me in 4H tones kinda like the low tone fart that comes with iron rust high tones.-----IB
Southwind
Well-known member
All detectors pretty much hit a pull tab, sound wise, as hard as a nickle but a good target ID can help a lot. A detector with say only 20 some target ID segments is not going to be able to distinguish a tab from a nickle as accurately as one with 190 target ID segments. I know when my White's has a solid 19-21 or my CTX has a solid 11-12 90% of the time it is going to be a nickle.
I like all the replys! Its a fun excersize to focus up and go hunt nickels...teaches a guy a lot...I say focus up because thats what it takes to try to hear the size, mass, and shape of the target with all the tabs out there...I believe if a guy can master it though, it will be a huge gold ring payday waiting for them sniping the signal strength/size on targets above and below (and right dead) in nickel...
I run DP tones, which can make focusing on those nickel tones tough, what with all the Q's, D's, P's all over the place hitting nice high pings, yet a guy can train his ear and has to focus on those nickel tones a bit to get pretty good at it, so that mellow tone stops a guy...I guess why thats why 4H tones was built into these rigs, so a fellow could bring them all up to the high tones...still, if a fellow commits to get good at hunting nickels, good gold things turn up eventually..(highest percentage of gold rings mfg'd are small foil signals, 23ish on up, girl gold class rings are right smack in tab at 37ish)...After all this ear time behind the coil, those nickels are probably the toughest target for me to 'call' consistently, yet I still try..
Mud
I run DP tones, which can make focusing on those nickel tones tough, what with all the Q's, D's, P's all over the place hitting nice high pings, yet a guy can train his ear and has to focus on those nickel tones a bit to get pretty good at it, so that mellow tone stops a guy...I guess why thats why 4H tones was built into these rigs, so a fellow could bring them all up to the high tones...still, if a fellow commits to get good at hunting nickels, good gold things turn up eventually..(highest percentage of gold rings mfg'd are small foil signals, 23ish on up, girl gold class rings are right smack in tab at 37ish)...After all this ear time behind the coil, those nickels are probably the toughest target for me to 'call' consistently, yet I still try..
Mud
atomicscott
Active member
All my detectors hit pulltabs pretty solid like nickels, EXCEPT for my X-Terra 505 mounted with the 6" 18.75 DD coil. This coil hits nickels harder/more accurately than pulltabs, but I still get fooled by a fair amount of pulltabs. Definitely seems better than with my F2 and the lower freq coils on the XT though.
Just think if there were none out there, all the gold we'd be finding! 
I have, at times, looked at other detectors, and even the newest assortment. None come close to the information obtained on the F5s screen and details of whats hidden up to 8" (my digging patience) while having fast recovery and good tone options. There is no perfect machine, and the nickel thing is the one thing that makes the F5 (and most detectors, obiously) imperfect, for me at least.
Undrpar, Jim and others above have it right. I use 75ltd and 3 tones. It definitely knocks for me at say 26-28. If im seeing 32 or higher Im suspect its not a nickle. In three tones there is no high tones, just a hard mid knock; a nickle is definitely more solidly consistent and bark like. F75ltd has withstood yanks, tumbles, falls, briers, drops, rain, mud, snow, heat and more. Good hunts all, CO
I save tabs for the Ronald McDonald House and so I dig them all. I hunt in All Metal most of the time anyway. I found find I was spending so much time finessing the target I was hurting my find times. Because I am sand digging I can pull and move on fairly fast. If I was doing more dirt fishing and more so hard ground I am sure it would be different.
MarkCZ
Well-known member
Keep in mind that the ID ranges I'm referencing is with using the Omega!
The nickel range is not so narrow in that it keeps other stuff from falling into that group. In some of the post above its been mentioned to aid in sorting out the nickels from the other stuff that lands in that group it takes watching the numbers to increase the nickel digs vs the junk items. Some of the numbers in this range will sometimes change or move in the ID range from location to location, it may only be a digit or two but when your splitting hairs it makes a difference. That means I can go to a common fairgrounds and hunt for a while and dig all the good signals in the nickel range and watch the ID numbers closely and match them with each item I dig, then I'm able to find and match the closer number range to nickels!. Doing this helps to get more of the nickels, but it doesn't stop getting the right size can slaw, a bent or damaged tab, but the nickels will start to stand out a little more, but when I move to a different location, the numbers for nickels will often times change a bit (not out of range).
So, for me I've found that out of all the target ID ranges for coins nickels is the one where its more of a number game than anything else, I mean splitting hairs of, 55-56 is nickles in one place, but in another its 56-57, one place I found that its a very tight 56, another place I have to use what I call 'Leans Towards' one side of the number range most of the coil passes. Like 54-55 but with most sweeps the number 'Leans' mostly towards 55.
I have less trouble with the square tabs than the pull & toss tabs and the right size can slaw.
Mark
The nickel range is not so narrow in that it keeps other stuff from falling into that group. In some of the post above its been mentioned to aid in sorting out the nickels from the other stuff that lands in that group it takes watching the numbers to increase the nickel digs vs the junk items. Some of the numbers in this range will sometimes change or move in the ID range from location to location, it may only be a digit or two but when your splitting hairs it makes a difference. That means I can go to a common fairgrounds and hunt for a while and dig all the good signals in the nickel range and watch the ID numbers closely and match them with each item I dig, then I'm able to find and match the closer number range to nickels!. Doing this helps to get more of the nickels, but it doesn't stop getting the right size can slaw, a bent or damaged tab, but the nickels will start to stand out a little more, but when I move to a different location, the numbers for nickels will often times change a bit (not out of range).
So, for me I've found that out of all the target ID ranges for coins nickels is the one where its more of a number game than anything else, I mean splitting hairs of, 55-56 is nickles in one place, but in another its 56-57, one place I found that its a very tight 56, another place I have to use what I call 'Leans Towards' one side of the number range most of the coil passes. Like 54-55 but with most sweeps the number 'Leans' mostly towards 55.
I have less trouble with the square tabs than the pull & toss tabs and the right size can slaw.
Mark