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Doc !..The wot is a keeper,will let you know the results in the am...P.S. sent payment...
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Hi wheelbubble,
Can you relate some of your experiences with your new WOT to us? How did it excel versus your stock coil? Under what conditions?
After reading in the "Some help with new WOT" thread, sorry if I don`t recall the title just right, I`m sceptical that the WOT is going to be worth it`s price anywhere except wide open spaces with minimal junk, which doesn`t exactly seem to correlate with any hunting grounds that I`ve found so far.
Don`t get the wrong idea, I`ve bought a Joey, X-5, 5" Excellerator, and X-1 probe in the past month. I don`t mind spending money if there is to be a real benefit. I`ve been pulling coins from ridiculous depths with the stock 10.5" coil, even in the extremely dry soil we`ve had this summer, so please tell me where the WOT shines for you?
Thanks, Russ
Can you relate some of your experiences with your new WOT to us? How did it excel versus your stock coil? Under what conditions?
After reading in the "Some help with new WOT" thread, sorry if I don`t recall the title just right, I`m sceptical that the WOT is going to be worth it`s price anywhere except wide open spaces with minimal junk, which doesn`t exactly seem to correlate with any hunting grounds that I`ve found so far.
Don`t get the wrong idea, I`ve bought a Joey, X-5, 5" Excellerator, and X-1 probe in the past month. I don`t mind spending money if there is to be a real benefit. I`ve been pulling coins from ridiculous depths with the stock 10.5" coil, even in the extremely dry soil we`ve had this summer, so please tell me where the WOT shines for you?
Thanks, Russ
wheelbubble
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Russ what I was looking for was fast coverage to find the money lines and coin spills of which I find many...Doc sent that coil to see if that fit the bill it did...I don,t hunt exclusivey with that wot I hunt for the money lines then go back at a later time to glean it with the 7.5"...I found that the wot did get Maybe 2" more than the stock 10","Example"A little park that I was checking for coins with the Wot gave a high coin 00-29,depth went off the scale I marked it, put the 10"on and found that I would have missed it because I move A little faster than most folks it was just a chirp,I put the 7.5"on and couldn't hear it..I also found that seperation was very good "that I was really not expecting",Iding a coin was not a problem I found nothing changed except pennies...First day with the Wot really had me thinking many readings of 00-31,I was confused thought I was in silver heaven turned out there were many hot rocks there.Went to another location it ran very quite...One reading really got me it was a 31-31 I didn't dig it it was off the scale on depth...Pin pointing was a snap right from the get go...I hunted for 4hrs.straight with it with out the swingy thingy I didn't notice any weight difference between the Wot and 10"or the 7.5",I guess I just don't pay that much attention...That reading of 00-29 in that little park was a 1944 walker....Russ the Wot helped to find 6pds of coin the first week...It's just a hobby with me everything goes into five gallon cans and forgotten about...Russ the application for which I use it for really helps me,especially on fresh water beaches,I know quickly if it is worth spending any time there...
Goodluck wheelbubble
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Goodluck wheelbubble
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Tony N (Michigan)
Active member
Thw WOT can only be used in wide open spaces? Not at all!
I was with my lady friend (when we were dating
) and we went to here dad's home. I only had about a half hour to hunt so I put on the WOT. Glad I did. I covered the back yard first and got a pocket full of change (no silver). Then went to the front yard and covered it too and got some wheaties and lots of change plus a gold ring.
I was with my lady friend (when we were dating
) and we went to here dad's home. I only had about a half hour to hunt so I put on the WOT. Glad I did. I covered the back yard first and got a pocket full of change (no silver). Then went to the front yard and covered it too and got some wheaties and lots of change plus a gold ring.Hi Tony,
How much junk did you have to dig in your lady friend's pop's yard? Unless it was a bunch, wouldn`t that be considered a wide open space, which BTW, I don`t think I was first to make that statement, I repeated what other users have stated.
There is no question in my mind that the WOT will make good, deep finds, but from the scenario that you have described, "I only had about a half hour to hunt so I put on the WOT." you made it clear to me that the primary objective in this case was the coverage of a wide area of ground as quickly as possible. Do you feel that your stock coil would not have found these same coins? Why?
I am concerned that the target averaging of the Explorer in areas with alot of targets (including trash) will not only negate the benefit of the wider scan area, but actually work against me in the long run because I may not get the clear signals that I`m looking for with a quality target. This seems to be a likely scenario in most of the places that I've hunted around here, too many signals. BTW, I don't hunt the beaches because that is apparently illegal on the New York State owned beaches that surround me. Buncha crap, huh?
Don't get me wrong, I want to buy one, probably just because everyone else has one, LOL! I just need a modicum of justification though.
Russ
How much junk did you have to dig in your lady friend's pop's yard? Unless it was a bunch, wouldn`t that be considered a wide open space, which BTW, I don`t think I was first to make that statement, I repeated what other users have stated.
There is no question in my mind that the WOT will make good, deep finds, but from the scenario that you have described, "I only had about a half hour to hunt so I put on the WOT." you made it clear to me that the primary objective in this case was the coverage of a wide area of ground as quickly as possible. Do you feel that your stock coil would not have found these same coins? Why?
I am concerned that the target averaging of the Explorer in areas with alot of targets (including trash) will not only negate the benefit of the wider scan area, but actually work against me in the long run because I may not get the clear signals that I`m looking for with a quality target. This seems to be a likely scenario in most of the places that I've hunted around here, too many signals. BTW, I don't hunt the beaches because that is apparently illegal on the New York State owned beaches that surround me. Buncha crap, huh?
Don't get me wrong, I want to buy one, probably just because everyone else has one, LOL! I just need a modicum of justification though.
Russ
wheelbubble
New member
Fresh water beaches,parks,schools,picnic ground...Metal detecting has been my hobby for 50+ years,I really enjoy it.Right now I own minlabs gh,exp2,quattro,A troyx5,and a gb2...I use them all.
Good luck Russ
Robert wheelbubble
Good luck Russ
Robert wheelbubble
that after years on the detecting market, with literally thousands of detectorists using the WOT coil, and praising its virtues, there are still those that doubt this remarkable coils versatility EVERYWHERE - not just wide open spaces.
Thank you for the report Wheelbubble !
For those that don't remember how Wheelbubble got the WOT in the first place he was asking about a 14 inch accelerator coil and wondered if anyone used one. I told him I'd send him a WOT and he could use it and report back, if he liked it, he could pay for it, if he didn't he could send it back. I don't think any company selling the accelerator coil has EVER or will EVER make that offer.
The point I was trying to make is if a company thinks their product is so great, why don't they put their money where their mouth is? Be willing to prove your coil is better. Put it in someone's hands no strings attached and tell them to report back to the world how GREAT their product is, or isn't.
Over the history of metal detecting this industry has seen so many "land sharks" come out with so many "fabulous" coils that were simply crap and hype, it is no wonder that people are skeptical of after market coils.
I think most experienced detectorists will tel you that there are really only two after market coil manufacturers that have consistently produced reliable and improved performance coils, and that is COILTEK, and Ralph at SUN-RAY.
If you want to know about the companies that care about you guys and gals look at the companies that help support this forum with their advertising dollars.
Back to the WOT coil. I will go head to head with anyone,anywhere, and I will use a WOT coil and you can use what ever you want. I will beat you hands down in good finds. That's not brag, or some kind of bravado about what a great detectorist I am, it is simply DOC's rule, "He who processes more dirt, wins!" Now, the thing is, you have to know the WOT coil and how to use it when things get trashy. You have to know that because of it's power, you can tilt the WOT up on its edge and use it like a pinpointer to ID a good target in amongst the trash. I do it without even thinking about it, it has become automatic.
In addition the WOT coil will find deeper coins and goodies, and it will find shallow items that the stock coil will miss when they are on edge. It will also give you the ability to be alerted to a coin and a piece of trash in close proximity to each other with more accuracy than a smaller coil.
A larger coil can actually give you better target separation when two targets are on top of each other! WHAT ? Heresy you say?
NOPE, coins on edge and two items on top of each other being identified easier is just a matter of the angle of attack of what the coil is able to "SEE."
Here's a dumb little experiment you can do to demonstrate how a larger coil can get better separation on two items laying somewhat over each other.
Position your two hands in front of your face one over the other. Close your left eye and sight with your right eye, as you would with the sites on a rifle. Your right eye represents the edge of your coil.
<img src="http://www.docsdetecting.com/forum/handx.jpg">
As you can see the coil sees what appears to be one object with no separation.
Looking from the other side, you are not able to see my open right eye, which is the edge of a small coil. To a small coil it is looking at one item made up of (let's say) silver "a coin" and iron "a nail."
<img src="http://www.docsdetecting.com/forum/notarget.jpg">
Now, what happens if we are using a larger coil? The edge of the coil, represented by our right eye moves out to a different angle, look what happens when I move my head to one side to represent the difference in angle that the edge of a large coil gives you.
<img src="http://www.docsdetecting.com/forum/target.jpg">
WO! The larger WOT coil no longer sees one target made of silver and iron, it sees two separate targets, one nail, and one silver coin. PEEK-A-BOO !
So theoretically, what we see happen with a larger coil like the WOT is that you get a better angle of attack that allows you to see two separate items in the same hole with better identification, given the right circumstances, and it also allows you to see more of the surface of a coin that is on edge, because of the increased angle of attack.
<img src="http://www.docsdetecting.com/forum/wot.JPG">
Once again thanks to Wheelbubble for taking on my challenge and for reporting back to the board. I sometimes wonder if we ever stop and think about how helpful everyone here on the board try to be to each other. It is indeed a unique community on this forum, and a very giving one!
Take care!
DOC
P.S. I'm not sure I agree with Wheelbubble's assessment that the WOT is no problem to swing. Yes it is just a bit heavier than the stock by ounces, but it is a big coil. I just don't swing it without the Swingy Thingy, however, I am such a whimp, I don't use any coil without the Swingy. I'll give you a report on the Swingy and the Platypus from Imperial Beach California, where I am on vacation, in a few days.
Thank you for the report Wheelbubble !
For those that don't remember how Wheelbubble got the WOT in the first place he was asking about a 14 inch accelerator coil and wondered if anyone used one. I told him I'd send him a WOT and he could use it and report back, if he liked it, he could pay for it, if he didn't he could send it back. I don't think any company selling the accelerator coil has EVER or will EVER make that offer.
The point I was trying to make is if a company thinks their product is so great, why don't they put their money where their mouth is? Be willing to prove your coil is better. Put it in someone's hands no strings attached and tell them to report back to the world how GREAT their product is, or isn't.
Over the history of metal detecting this industry has seen so many "land sharks" come out with so many "fabulous" coils that were simply crap and hype, it is no wonder that people are skeptical of after market coils.
I think most experienced detectorists will tel you that there are really only two after market coil manufacturers that have consistently produced reliable and improved performance coils, and that is COILTEK, and Ralph at SUN-RAY.
If you want to know about the companies that care about you guys and gals look at the companies that help support this forum with their advertising dollars.
Back to the WOT coil. I will go head to head with anyone,anywhere, and I will use a WOT coil and you can use what ever you want. I will beat you hands down in good finds. That's not brag, or some kind of bravado about what a great detectorist I am, it is simply DOC's rule, "He who processes more dirt, wins!" Now, the thing is, you have to know the WOT coil and how to use it when things get trashy. You have to know that because of it's power, you can tilt the WOT up on its edge and use it like a pinpointer to ID a good target in amongst the trash. I do it without even thinking about it, it has become automatic.
In addition the WOT coil will find deeper coins and goodies, and it will find shallow items that the stock coil will miss when they are on edge. It will also give you the ability to be alerted to a coin and a piece of trash in close proximity to each other with more accuracy than a smaller coil.
A larger coil can actually give you better target separation when two targets are on top of each other! WHAT ? Heresy you say?
NOPE, coins on edge and two items on top of each other being identified easier is just a matter of the angle of attack of what the coil is able to "SEE."
Here's a dumb little experiment you can do to demonstrate how a larger coil can get better separation on two items laying somewhat over each other.
Position your two hands in front of your face one over the other. Close your left eye and sight with your right eye, as you would with the sites on a rifle. Your right eye represents the edge of your coil.
<img src="http://www.docsdetecting.com/forum/handx.jpg">
As you can see the coil sees what appears to be one object with no separation.
Looking from the other side, you are not able to see my open right eye, which is the edge of a small coil. To a small coil it is looking at one item made up of (let's say) silver "a coin" and iron "a nail."
<img src="http://www.docsdetecting.com/forum/notarget.jpg">
Now, what happens if we are using a larger coil? The edge of the coil, represented by our right eye moves out to a different angle, look what happens when I move my head to one side to represent the difference in angle that the edge of a large coil gives you.
<img src="http://www.docsdetecting.com/forum/target.jpg">
WO! The larger WOT coil no longer sees one target made of silver and iron, it sees two separate targets, one nail, and one silver coin. PEEK-A-BOO !
So theoretically, what we see happen with a larger coil like the WOT is that you get a better angle of attack that allows you to see two separate items in the same hole with better identification, given the right circumstances, and it also allows you to see more of the surface of a coin that is on edge, because of the increased angle of attack.
<img src="http://www.docsdetecting.com/forum/wot.JPG">
Once again thanks to Wheelbubble for taking on my challenge and for reporting back to the board. I sometimes wonder if we ever stop and think about how helpful everyone here on the board try to be to each other. It is indeed a unique community on this forum, and a very giving one!
Take care!
DOC
P.S. I'm not sure I agree with Wheelbubble's assessment that the WOT is no problem to swing. Yes it is just a bit heavier than the stock by ounces, but it is a big coil. I just don't swing it without the Swingy Thingy, however, I am such a whimp, I don't use any coil without the Swingy. I'll give you a report on the Swingy and the Platypus from Imperial Beach California, where I am on vacation, in a few days.
Tony N (Michigan)
Active member
<b>Hi Tony,
How much junk did you have to dig in your lady friend's pop's yard? Unless it was a bunch, wouldn`t that be considered a wide open space, which BTW, I don`t think I was first to make that statement, I repeated what other users have stated. </b>
I didn't dig any junk. I only dug wheaties, memorials, dimes and quarters and a gold ring.
<b>There is no question in my mind that the WOT will make good, deep finds, but from the scenario that you have described, "I only had about a half hour to hunt so I put on the WOT." you made it clear to me that the primary objective in this case was the coverage of a wide area of ground as quickly as possible. Do you feel that your stock coil would not have found these same coins? Why? </b>
No way at all could the stock coil have covered the same about of area in the same amount of time. No way at all. Impossible. Simply impossible.
<b>I am concerned that the target averaging of the Explorer in areas with alot of targets (including trash) will not only negate the benefit of the wider scan area, but actually work against me in the long run because I may not get the clear signals that I`m looking for with a quality target. This seems to be a likely scenario in most of the places that I've hunted around here, too many signals. BTW, I don't hunt the beaches because that is apparently illegal on the New York State owned beaches that surround me. Buncha crap, huh? </b>
There wasn't a whole lot of junk in this man's yard so that was definitely in favor of the WOT.
But even if there was a lot of trash, I still would have stuck with the WOT given the time constraint I was under. You really don't want to keep a woman waiting. Yea, that's a bunch of crap about the NY state beaches. I wonder why?
<b>Don't get me wrong, I want to buy one, probably just because everyone else has one, LOL! I just need a modicum of justification though. </b>
I don't use my WOT all the time. I only use it when I can justify using it. It is a tool. That's all. I don't use a sledge hammer to set a finishing nail. But it shure comes in handy when you need it.
Russ
How much junk did you have to dig in your lady friend's pop's yard? Unless it was a bunch, wouldn`t that be considered a wide open space, which BTW, I don`t think I was first to make that statement, I repeated what other users have stated. </b>
I didn't dig any junk. I only dug wheaties, memorials, dimes and quarters and a gold ring.
<b>There is no question in my mind that the WOT will make good, deep finds, but from the scenario that you have described, "I only had about a half hour to hunt so I put on the WOT." you made it clear to me that the primary objective in this case was the coverage of a wide area of ground as quickly as possible. Do you feel that your stock coil would not have found these same coins? Why? </b>
No way at all could the stock coil have covered the same about of area in the same amount of time. No way at all. Impossible. Simply impossible.
<b>I am concerned that the target averaging of the Explorer in areas with alot of targets (including trash) will not only negate the benefit of the wider scan area, but actually work against me in the long run because I may not get the clear signals that I`m looking for with a quality target. This seems to be a likely scenario in most of the places that I've hunted around here, too many signals. BTW, I don't hunt the beaches because that is apparently illegal on the New York State owned beaches that surround me. Buncha crap, huh? </b>
There wasn't a whole lot of junk in this man's yard so that was definitely in favor of the WOT.
But even if there was a lot of trash, I still would have stuck with the WOT given the time constraint I was under. You really don't want to keep a woman waiting. Yea, that's a bunch of crap about the NY state beaches. I wonder why?
<b>Don't get me wrong, I want to buy one, probably just because everyone else has one, LOL! I just need a modicum of justification though. </b>
I don't use my WOT all the time. I only use it when I can justify using it. It is a tool. That's all. I don't use a sledge hammer to set a finishing nail. But it shure comes in handy when you need it.
Russ
Gee Doc, I`m glad that I can both amaze and amuse you with my skepticism, my only regret is that I guess I`m just not smart enough to patently accept the opinion of a guy with a vested interest in the success of this coil(You). At least this is what I gather from your statement.
All along I thought that my level of reading comprehension was sufficient to keep up with the conversation here and I foolishly misunderstood that at least a few of the thousands of purported WOT users were less than completely satisfied, based primarily on their apparently misleading statements and questions contained within this site and at least one other. Further adding to my confusion is the fact that two or possibly more barely used WOTs have sold in the classifieds section of this site in the past month or so and I`ve also noted the sale of two in similar condition on eBay in the same period. Seems to be a pretty good availability of "like new" used WOTS for the Explorer II at a presumed financial loss to the original purchasers, based on the final sale prices. Hmmmm....
For me to say that of the "literally thousands of detectorists using the WOT coil, and praising it's virtues", about only fifteen or less post here and a few of them are less than completely satisfied based on their posts could be taken that I am questioning your integrity, but I am not. I don`t automatically question the virtues or faculties of those whom I am not yet in agreement with. I believe that You would be hard pressed to say that your denigrating statement in this thread isn`t directed toward me because I am the only person in this thread not singing praise. At least I figured this much out.
Regarding your desire to meet anyone`s challenge by placing your coil in their hands for a "no strings" evaluation, You will likely recall that I inquired about availability of a WOT coil on the same terms that you offered wheelbubble, and you very plausibly and definitively stated that no more were available for this sort of evaluation. That`s the same thing that I was told when I asked about a "no strings" test of a new 18" Excellerator. I was however given the opportunity of a discount if I bought a new detector from them in conjunction with the purchase of that coil.
Now for the praise Doc. I understood the example of the dumb little experiment relative to separation of targets. Very good illustration, both textual and visual. Thank you.
Unfortunately for me, my only real life exposure to a WOT was as I watched a guy cover a park without digging anything of value. This is a park where my BIL subsequently made finds of clad using his ACE 250 and the standard 6x9 coil. I fully appreciate that the observed WOT wielder probably had no clue how to use the WOT or the EX II that it was attached to, but alas, it is the only one of the many thousands out there that seems to be anywhere near me, therefore I`m relegated to reading what is primarily posted here and then trying to make sense of it.
Russ, but You can call me Forrest
All along I thought that my level of reading comprehension was sufficient to keep up with the conversation here and I foolishly misunderstood that at least a few of the thousands of purported WOT users were less than completely satisfied, based primarily on their apparently misleading statements and questions contained within this site and at least one other. Further adding to my confusion is the fact that two or possibly more barely used WOTs have sold in the classifieds section of this site in the past month or so and I`ve also noted the sale of two in similar condition on eBay in the same period. Seems to be a pretty good availability of "like new" used WOTS for the Explorer II at a presumed financial loss to the original purchasers, based on the final sale prices. Hmmmm....
For me to say that of the "literally thousands of detectorists using the WOT coil, and praising it's virtues", about only fifteen or less post here and a few of them are less than completely satisfied based on their posts could be taken that I am questioning your integrity, but I am not. I don`t automatically question the virtues or faculties of those whom I am not yet in agreement with. I believe that You would be hard pressed to say that your denigrating statement in this thread isn`t directed toward me because I am the only person in this thread not singing praise. At least I figured this much out.
Regarding your desire to meet anyone`s challenge by placing your coil in their hands for a "no strings" evaluation, You will likely recall that I inquired about availability of a WOT coil on the same terms that you offered wheelbubble, and you very plausibly and definitively stated that no more were available for this sort of evaluation. That`s the same thing that I was told when I asked about a "no strings" test of a new 18" Excellerator. I was however given the opportunity of a discount if I bought a new detector from them in conjunction with the purchase of that coil.
Now for the praise Doc. I understood the example of the dumb little experiment relative to separation of targets. Very good illustration, both textual and visual. Thank you.
Unfortunately for me, my only real life exposure to a WOT was as I watched a guy cover a park without digging anything of value. This is a park where my BIL subsequently made finds of clad using his ACE 250 and the standard 6x9 coil. I fully appreciate that the observed WOT wielder probably had no clue how to use the WOT or the EX II that it was attached to, but alas, it is the only one of the many thousands out there that seems to be anywhere near me, therefore I`m relegated to reading what is primarily posted here and then trying to make sense of it.
Russ, but You can call me Forrest
(Gee Doc, I`m glad that I can both amaze and amuse you with my skepticism, my only regret is that I guess I`m just not smart enough to patently accept the opinion of a guy with a vested interest in the success of this coil(You). At least this is what I gather from your statement.)
Russ, sorry mate, I wasn't referring to you. I didn't find your post amazing or amusing, SKEPTICAL would be an accurate adjective to describe your post, I can live with skepticism. VESTED interest??? As in I sell the coils, yes I do! But that's not what I do for a living. This is my "Fun" business, I'm a Criminal Psychologist. I guess if I have such a "vested" interest, I better quit telling people that Sun RAy makes great coils, because I stand to make no financial gain from that endorsement what-so-ever. Did it ever occur to you that some people just tell the truth, and it has nothing to do with what is in it for them monetarily?
(All along I thought that my level of reading comprehension was sufficient to keep up with the conversation here and I foolishly misunderstood that at least a few of the thousands of purported WOT users were less than completely satisfied, based primarily on their apparently misleading statements and questions contained within this site and at least one other. Further adding to my confusion is the fact that two or possibly more barely used WOTs have sold in the classifieds section of this site in the past month or so and I`ve also noted the sale of two in similar condition on eBay in the same period. Seems to be a pretty good availability of "like new" used WOTS for the Explorer II at a presumed financial loss to the original purchasers, based on the final sale prices. Hmmmm.... )
Well that is truly strange that people would sell new WOTs without contacting me first. Usually if there is a problem I am the first to know about it. Now what can be said about people who sell a coil knowing there is something wrong with it? Many times these coils are sold because someone buys one for their wife, or son, and it is simply too much coil for them to handle, it doesn't have anything to do with there being something wrong with the coil.
"For me to say that of the "literally thousands of detectorists using the WOT coil, and praising it's virtues", about only fifteen or less post here and a few of them are less than completely satisfied based on their posts could be taken that I am questioning your integrity, but I am not. I don`t automatically question the virtues or faculties of those whom I am not yet in agreement with. I believe that You would be hard pressed to say that your denigrating statement in this thread isn`t directed toward me because I am the only person in this thread not singing praise. At least I figured this much out."
You must have not been on this forum, very long, I have been on here for years and the WOT has been out on the market for 4 years, and there has been scads of posts here, not 15. As for you being the only person in this thread not singing the praises of the WOT, well hell, you don't even own one. How could my post be directed at you, your views are pure speculation and not based in fact. The facts are the facts, when you look at experienced successful detectorists, like Charles in NY, or Andy Sabisch who is an icon in the Explorer community, the comments are always the same, the WOT kicks butt.
"Regarding your desire to meet anyone`s challenge by placing your coil in their hands for a "no strings" evaluation, You will likely recall that I inquired about availability of a WOT coil on the same terms that you offered wheelbubble, and you very plausibly and definitively stated that no more were available for this sort of evaluation. That`s the same thing that I was told when I asked about a "no strings" test of a new 18" Excellerator. I was however given the opportunity of a discount if I bought a new detector from them in conjunction with the purchase of that coil."
Yes I am given a certain amount of coils that I can use for promotional purposes. Being that Wheelbubble is buying his, that gives me another one that I can put on there on a try it and see if you like it basis. If you would like to try one, let me know.
"Now for the praise Doc. I understood the example of the dumb little experiment relative to separation of targets. Very good illustration, both textual and visual. Thank you."
Well at least I got some praise. After being married for 35 years any praise is appreciated.
"Unfortunately for me, my only real life exposure to a WOT was as I watched a guy cover a park without digging anything of value. This is a park where my BIL subsequently made finds of clad using his ACE 250 and the standard 6x9 coil. I fully appreciate that the observed WOT wielder probably had no clue how to use the WOT or the EX II that it was attached to, but alas, it is the only one of the many thousands out there that seems to be anywhere near me, therefore I`m relegated to reading what is primarily posted here and then trying to make sense of it."
Well too bad you could not have used it yourself. As they say it is a poor workman who blames his tools. I can guarantee I could go through that park and find things your BIL missed. You don't know what the other detectorists level of expertise was, what his settings were, or even if he had his detector on.
"Russ, but You can call me Forrest"
OK Forrest, you can call me DOC.
Russ, sorry mate, I wasn't referring to you. I didn't find your post amazing or amusing, SKEPTICAL would be an accurate adjective to describe your post, I can live with skepticism. VESTED interest??? As in I sell the coils, yes I do! But that's not what I do for a living. This is my "Fun" business, I'm a Criminal Psychologist. I guess if I have such a "vested" interest, I better quit telling people that Sun RAy makes great coils, because I stand to make no financial gain from that endorsement what-so-ever. Did it ever occur to you that some people just tell the truth, and it has nothing to do with what is in it for them monetarily?
(All along I thought that my level of reading comprehension was sufficient to keep up with the conversation here and I foolishly misunderstood that at least a few of the thousands of purported WOT users were less than completely satisfied, based primarily on their apparently misleading statements and questions contained within this site and at least one other. Further adding to my confusion is the fact that two or possibly more barely used WOTs have sold in the classifieds section of this site in the past month or so and I`ve also noted the sale of two in similar condition on eBay in the same period. Seems to be a pretty good availability of "like new" used WOTS for the Explorer II at a presumed financial loss to the original purchasers, based on the final sale prices. Hmmmm.... )
Well that is truly strange that people would sell new WOTs without contacting me first. Usually if there is a problem I am the first to know about it. Now what can be said about people who sell a coil knowing there is something wrong with it? Many times these coils are sold because someone buys one for their wife, or son, and it is simply too much coil for them to handle, it doesn't have anything to do with there being something wrong with the coil.
"For me to say that of the "literally thousands of detectorists using the WOT coil, and praising it's virtues", about only fifteen or less post here and a few of them are less than completely satisfied based on their posts could be taken that I am questioning your integrity, but I am not. I don`t automatically question the virtues or faculties of those whom I am not yet in agreement with. I believe that You would be hard pressed to say that your denigrating statement in this thread isn`t directed toward me because I am the only person in this thread not singing praise. At least I figured this much out."
You must have not been on this forum, very long, I have been on here for years and the WOT has been out on the market for 4 years, and there has been scads of posts here, not 15. As for you being the only person in this thread not singing the praises of the WOT, well hell, you don't even own one. How could my post be directed at you, your views are pure speculation and not based in fact. The facts are the facts, when you look at experienced successful detectorists, like Charles in NY, or Andy Sabisch who is an icon in the Explorer community, the comments are always the same, the WOT kicks butt.
"Regarding your desire to meet anyone`s challenge by placing your coil in their hands for a "no strings" evaluation, You will likely recall that I inquired about availability of a WOT coil on the same terms that you offered wheelbubble, and you very plausibly and definitively stated that no more were available for this sort of evaluation. That`s the same thing that I was told when I asked about a "no strings" test of a new 18" Excellerator. I was however given the opportunity of a discount if I bought a new detector from them in conjunction with the purchase of that coil."
Yes I am given a certain amount of coils that I can use for promotional purposes. Being that Wheelbubble is buying his, that gives me another one that I can put on there on a try it and see if you like it basis. If you would like to try one, let me know.
"Now for the praise Doc. I understood the example of the dumb little experiment relative to separation of targets. Very good illustration, both textual and visual. Thank you."
Well at least I got some praise. After being married for 35 years any praise is appreciated.
"Unfortunately for me, my only real life exposure to a WOT was as I watched a guy cover a park without digging anything of value. This is a park where my BIL subsequently made finds of clad using his ACE 250 and the standard 6x9 coil. I fully appreciate that the observed WOT wielder probably had no clue how to use the WOT or the EX II that it was attached to, but alas, it is the only one of the many thousands out there that seems to be anywhere near me, therefore I`m relegated to reading what is primarily posted here and then trying to make sense of it."
Well too bad you could not have used it yourself. As they say it is a poor workman who blames his tools. I can guarantee I could go through that park and find things your BIL missed. You don't know what the other detectorists level of expertise was, what his settings were, or even if he had his detector on.
"Russ, but You can call me Forrest"
OK Forrest, you can call me DOC.
Whale Doc,
I admit to a healthy dose of skepticism after having purchased too many miracle products. My example of the WOT guy in the park was meant as an illustration that in this one case, probably more, the WOT is not a panacea and it apparently did nothing to help the blind pig get a truffle. His detector was turned on based observing him digging some junk. Your ability with the WOT, or that of Charles or Andy is not questioned. I would also put all of you guys at the top of the heap with regard to detecting experience and knowledge and that is no doubt an important factor.
I also maintain that You and your affiliation with Coiltek are widely enough know to be a market "presence". Someone mentions Coiltek and Doc is mentioned, my perception is that the two of You are almost inseparable. You are the only authorized distributor of Coiltek coils in the Americas aren`t You? I really don`t want to drag you into an argument though. I`ve perused various areas of your site including the stories. I enjoyed reading of your police work with the clairvoyant and I`m well aware of your professional background.
Just to hit a few high points, I didn`t say that anyone was selling defective or damaged WOTs anywhere. My suspicion relative to these sales is that the sellers found them somehow not viable. Too awkward, too heavy, too much chatter in trashy areas, too much falsing in salt water waves? I don`t know for the most part since I only asked one guy why he was selling. I do believe that an argument could be made that if the WOT were doing something that a smaller coil couldn`t do on a regular basis, most people wouldn`t give them up for any price.
I`ve only been reading these forums for a few months, no I don`t know the entire history of the site or who purchased WOTs. What I did say is that only about 15 current regular posters are talking about using WOTs. Fifteen posters, not fifteen posts. Yes, my thoughts are speculation, I have no experience with this coil on which to form an opinion. The closest that I can come to forming an opinion is by reading what the experienced WOT users are posting and observing the resale market of this item.
Yeah Doc, I would like to try a WOT. But the fact is, I wouldn`t want it to be common knowledge when I do because if I don`t like it I don`t want to have to explain why, especially considering that any problem with the coil might actually be nothing more than a shortcoming on my part. If I do like it, you`ll have plenty of positive press from me. My skepticism has nothing to do with You Doc, in fact I passed up a couple with the solid thought in mind that I want you behind me if I buy one, so I would of course buy from You if I expect You to support my purchase.
Russ
I admit to a healthy dose of skepticism after having purchased too many miracle products. My example of the WOT guy in the park was meant as an illustration that in this one case, probably more, the WOT is not a panacea and it apparently did nothing to help the blind pig get a truffle. His detector was turned on based observing him digging some junk. Your ability with the WOT, or that of Charles or Andy is not questioned. I would also put all of you guys at the top of the heap with regard to detecting experience and knowledge and that is no doubt an important factor.
I also maintain that You and your affiliation with Coiltek are widely enough know to be a market "presence". Someone mentions Coiltek and Doc is mentioned, my perception is that the two of You are almost inseparable. You are the only authorized distributor of Coiltek coils in the Americas aren`t You? I really don`t want to drag you into an argument though. I`ve perused various areas of your site including the stories. I enjoyed reading of your police work with the clairvoyant and I`m well aware of your professional background.
Just to hit a few high points, I didn`t say that anyone was selling defective or damaged WOTs anywhere. My suspicion relative to these sales is that the sellers found them somehow not viable. Too awkward, too heavy, too much chatter in trashy areas, too much falsing in salt water waves? I don`t know for the most part since I only asked one guy why he was selling. I do believe that an argument could be made that if the WOT were doing something that a smaller coil couldn`t do on a regular basis, most people wouldn`t give them up for any price.
I`ve only been reading these forums for a few months, no I don`t know the entire history of the site or who purchased WOTs. What I did say is that only about 15 current regular posters are talking about using WOTs. Fifteen posters, not fifteen posts. Yes, my thoughts are speculation, I have no experience with this coil on which to form an opinion. The closest that I can come to forming an opinion is by reading what the experienced WOT users are posting and observing the resale market of this item.
Yeah Doc, I would like to try a WOT. But the fact is, I wouldn`t want it to be common knowledge when I do because if I don`t like it I don`t want to have to explain why, especially considering that any problem with the coil might actually be nothing more than a shortcoming on my part. If I do like it, you`ll have plenty of positive press from me. My skepticism has nothing to do with You Doc, in fact I passed up a couple with the solid thought in mind that I want you behind me if I buy one, so I would of course buy from You if I expect You to support my purchase.
Russ
I'm currently at Imperial Beach south of San Diego, I have used the WOT coil here for years, never a falsing problem in or out of the water.
This time I have brought along the Platypus coil, and again, not a hint of falsing. Jim in Upstate New York has always had problems with every one of his COILTEK coils falsing in water, even in damp grass. That always has confounded me. There are some other isolated cases of this happening.
Now granted sometimes it is a faulty coil. It usually is a bad solder connection inside of the connector. Sounds weird that when you touch the coil it falses when the problem is clear on the other end of the coil at the connector.
It is really important that the connection point, and the male part of the machine and the female connector of the coil stay completely clean and free of corrosion and crud.
As for Jim, I have to wonder if there is something up with his machine, and maybe the extra sensitivity of the COILTEK coils magnifies this problem. I just don't know, but falsing in water is "NOT" a feature of the COILtek coils. I'm going from dry sand to wet sand to in the surf down here and you can't tell the difference at all.
I remember an issue with falsing that the guys with gold machines had. The SD, and GP series. Sometimes the coils would false and other times they wouldn't. This problem was driving me crazy because I too was experiencing this and it was about to send me over the edge.
I finally discovered the problem. The cords on the coils of the gold machines are very short, you can only have wrap them two to three times around the shaft. Well many times, depending on the way you wrapped the cord, you would have to rotate the connector one way or the other to get the groove of the connector to match up with the detector so you could plug it in.
That procedure was what was causing the problem. If you had to twist the cable wire and to make the connector fit, you were torquing the cable and putting pressure on the connector and the connection point. Apparently, torquing the cable applies uneven pressure on the connector and apparently the coil does not make a good solid contact.
I found that if you disconnected the coil, and rewrapped it until the connector aligned naturally and would connect to the detector without rotating the it to the right or the left, the coil suddenly became perfectly quiet and you experienced absolutely no falsing at all.
Now with the WOT coil for the Explorer, the cable is coiled at the end, which should alleviate any torquing on the connector, however, I think it would still be important to make sure that the cable is not bunched up when you connect the mid shaft to the machine. Also being careful when you adjust the lower rod so as to not jam the coiled cable up against the connector inside the machine.
Take care!
DOc
This time I have brought along the Platypus coil, and again, not a hint of falsing. Jim in Upstate New York has always had problems with every one of his COILTEK coils falsing in water, even in damp grass. That always has confounded me. There are some other isolated cases of this happening.
Now granted sometimes it is a faulty coil. It usually is a bad solder connection inside of the connector. Sounds weird that when you touch the coil it falses when the problem is clear on the other end of the coil at the connector.
It is really important that the connection point, and the male part of the machine and the female connector of the coil stay completely clean and free of corrosion and crud.
As for Jim, I have to wonder if there is something up with his machine, and maybe the extra sensitivity of the COILTEK coils magnifies this problem. I just don't know, but falsing in water is "NOT" a feature of the COILtek coils. I'm going from dry sand to wet sand to in the surf down here and you can't tell the difference at all.
I remember an issue with falsing that the guys with gold machines had. The SD, and GP series. Sometimes the coils would false and other times they wouldn't. This problem was driving me crazy because I too was experiencing this and it was about to send me over the edge.
I finally discovered the problem. The cords on the coils of the gold machines are very short, you can only have wrap them two to three times around the shaft. Well many times, depending on the way you wrapped the cord, you would have to rotate the connector one way or the other to get the groove of the connector to match up with the detector so you could plug it in.
That procedure was what was causing the problem. If you had to twist the cable wire and to make the connector fit, you were torquing the cable and putting pressure on the connector and the connection point. Apparently, torquing the cable applies uneven pressure on the connector and apparently the coil does not make a good solid contact.
I found that if you disconnected the coil, and rewrapped it until the connector aligned naturally and would connect to the detector without rotating the it to the right or the left, the coil suddenly became perfectly quiet and you experienced absolutely no falsing at all.
Now with the WOT coil for the Explorer, the cable is coiled at the end, which should alleviate any torquing on the connector, however, I think it would still be important to make sure that the cable is not bunched up when you connect the mid shaft to the machine. Also being careful when you adjust the lower rod so as to not jam the coiled cable up against the connector inside the machine.
Take care!
DOc