Don't people read, most parks have a leash law. People that refuse to follow the law are asking for a law suite or have their dog destroyed, either by the person it is attacking or law enforcement!!!!! I have no problem with dogs that are under control, the dogs that are not under control I have a problem with!!!
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Dog Attack
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There was a older lady taking a morning walk about a week ago and two Pit Bulls pulled her down and mauled her so bad she ended up in the hospital. They also attacked others trying to rescue her the during the attack. When the cops got there they immediately shot and killed both dogs from what I understand.
A pitifully sad ending to the story is a few days later, with her family by her side, and awaiting her discharge from the hospital, the poor woman had a massive heart attack caused by a blood clot that had formed in her system from the wounds acquired during the Pit Bull attack and died.
Why do seemingly normal people want to own these damn animals?
A pitifully sad ending to the story is a few days later, with her family by her side, and awaiting her discharge from the hospital, the poor woman had a massive heart attack caused by a blood clot that had formed in her system from the wounds acquired during the Pit Bull attack and died.
Why do seemingly normal people want to own these damn animals?
Just for the sake of perhaps this might come in handy for one of us..and taking the substantial risk of being labelled the biggest bullcrapper of all time, forfeiting any reasonable believability of future mudpuppy posts by my F series brethren, I humbly submit this experience for your use as a last resort, in an effort that it might save one of you a mauling...
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Back in the early 80's I found myself to be the caretaker of 17 grey wolves. They were housed 2 to a pen and the pens were in a circle with a wire enclosure all around.
Every day I would have to go in there to clean out the pens, I would open a door to a pen, step aside, and the male/female pair would run around in the main enclosure while I went into their pen and cleaned it out...then, you would walk out into the enclosure, and get away from their door and they would run back in there usually...usually...
The guy who owned the wolves told me it would happen and what to do WHEN I was attacked, so heres how you can actually disable/discourage or kill a big animal such as a wolf with your bare hands if needed.
When they come at you, offer them a forearm, make sure they clamp on it, with your other hand get a good grip on their lower jaw while falling over backwards in the same motion, lifting them off the ground. DO NOT let them plant their feet and shake, or in any way dilly dally trying to stay up on your feet, or get your arm out of their mouth, you want to try to choke them with the leverage you gained with your arm if you can, and draw them in tight to you, where you have even more leverage and strength, like an arm wrestler would do, see?....as you hit the ground with them on top of you, wrap your legs around their ribcage, lock your ankles together, and squeeze their chest as hard as you can with your legs. By exerting a twisting force on their lower jaw, and leveraging with the other, you roll them off you onto the side, then find an ear and bite it! The idea was to squeeze the air out of them and give them a good bite on their ear. They generally dont last long and start to pee and whine, and when you figure they are near the point of passing out, you can get up generally none the worse for wear if you are wearing a heavy long shirt or a carharrdt coat, you wont even get a scratch, a little bruising yes,..they will lay there whining, and heaving for breath...
They did this at least once per year to try to take your role as the "dominant male" of the pack, the rest were of course howling and going nuts and paying attention, so you dont want to lose or appear weak, or every one of them will want to have a go at you all the time.
I doubt this would work on something like a mastiff, their jaws are too short and by god are they thick, but for most any other dog like a shepard or doberman, rottweiler or pitt, should be no problem to kill them if you wanted to...it goes against all your natural instincts to get away, but it works if you can get in tight and control their mouth, jam your arm in there good so they cant get the leverage of their jaw muscles to deploy properly, and squeeze the air out of them. This is what you can do if you have no other options, and I dont know if it would work with more than one attacking you, seems the other wolf would never get involved when they saw what was going on, but sort of try to remember this when all else fails ...If you do this sometime, be sure to get a picture and post it here, or take the dogs collar for a trophy...
Mud
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Back in the early 80's I found myself to be the caretaker of 17 grey wolves. They were housed 2 to a pen and the pens were in a circle with a wire enclosure all around.
Every day I would have to go in there to clean out the pens, I would open a door to a pen, step aside, and the male/female pair would run around in the main enclosure while I went into their pen and cleaned it out...then, you would walk out into the enclosure, and get away from their door and they would run back in there usually...usually...
The guy who owned the wolves told me it would happen and what to do WHEN I was attacked, so heres how you can actually disable/discourage or kill a big animal such as a wolf with your bare hands if needed.
When they come at you, offer them a forearm, make sure they clamp on it, with your other hand get a good grip on their lower jaw while falling over backwards in the same motion, lifting them off the ground. DO NOT let them plant their feet and shake, or in any way dilly dally trying to stay up on your feet, or get your arm out of their mouth, you want to try to choke them with the leverage you gained with your arm if you can, and draw them in tight to you, where you have even more leverage and strength, like an arm wrestler would do, see?....as you hit the ground with them on top of you, wrap your legs around their ribcage, lock your ankles together, and squeeze their chest as hard as you can with your legs. By exerting a twisting force on their lower jaw, and leveraging with the other, you roll them off you onto the side, then find an ear and bite it! The idea was to squeeze the air out of them and give them a good bite on their ear. They generally dont last long and start to pee and whine, and when you figure they are near the point of passing out, you can get up generally none the worse for wear if you are wearing a heavy long shirt or a carharrdt coat, you wont even get a scratch, a little bruising yes,..they will lay there whining, and heaving for breath...
They did this at least once per year to try to take your role as the "dominant male" of the pack, the rest were of course howling and going nuts and paying attention, so you dont want to lose or appear weak, or every one of them will want to have a go at you all the time.
I doubt this would work on something like a mastiff, their jaws are too short and by god are they thick, but for most any other dog like a shepard or doberman, rottweiler or pitt, should be no problem to kill them if you wanted to...it goes against all your natural instincts to get away, but it works if you can get in tight and control their mouth, jam your arm in there good so they cant get the leverage of their jaw muscles to deploy properly, and squeeze the air out of them. This is what you can do if you have no other options, and I dont know if it would work with more than one attacking you, seems the other wolf would never get involved when they saw what was going on, but sort of try to remember this when all else fails ...If you do this sometime, be sure to get a picture and post it here, or take the dogs collar for a trophy...
Mud
Yikes! Another dog attack, only this time the woman on the other end of the leash was healthy enough to keep the damned thing from getting at me. I must be giving off some odor or something. This time the dog kept lunging at me -- I was about 30 feet off a walk way the lady and her mad as hell pooch was on. He almost pulled her off the walk as he kept lunging in my direction. Look like some kind of pit mix, stocky, muscular, but definitely a mix. The lady finally manage to get the animal to move in her direction and it finally gave up -- like I said, the lady was healthy enough to maintain control -- she looked at me like I was the animal, getting her little baby all upset. I'm putting an order in for some Bear Spray. Went to Wal Mart yesterday but they are all sold out ??? Hum, I didn't know there were so many bears around where I live? Oh, yeah, it is hunting season. I love dogs and have never had a problem with them, whether mine of others, until these pit bull mixes started showing up in the parks. Once I had a yellow lab run up to me and drop a ball at my feet then bounce around in circles, his own shrugged, I pick up the ball and tossed it, good fun. I had another pooch come over and start digging right next to me, what a laugh, and another time a happy go lucky fluffy mix would follow my coil back and forth, the owner came running over, very apologetic, but what the heck, this mutt was only looking for fun. I am putting Animal Control on my Cell. Any other stories or methods? I am all ears -- Dan
I detect at a private residence that has two similar looking cats. One was friendly, the other not so much. The one cat will walk from the barn to greet me. She follows me around while detecting. When I dig for a target, she puts her head in the hole and gets in my way. I'm patient with her and let her do her thing. Her other maneuver is, she jumps up on my back while I'm kneeling looking for the target and lays down on my neck until I'm finished with the hole. Meanwhile, her owner is inside cracking up.....probably videoing her goofy little pet.
Great story Steve -- I can just picture what you related -- funny and interesting at the same time. I had a neighbor cat do something similar. I would be digging a hole, for a post or a tree and the neighbor cat could come running over and stick its head into the hole trying to see what I was going after. In the parks I have not seen one cat, not one, especially any cats on a leash, wonder why that is? 
kaolinwasher
Well-known member
carry a plastic squirt gun full of pure ammonia just give a shot in the nose. if they do grab your arm use the other arm to tear out and crush their wind pipe.
rarysgaard
New member
Lots of misinformation on this topic. Are pit bulls lethal? They certainly can be. Contrary to what one person posted, they don't try & kill every one or every dog they see. They are what their owners breed & train them to be. They are actually very loyal & affectionate dogs. The trouble is there are owners out there who shouldn't be allowed to own them. They breed them to fight or train them to be aggressive & then wonder why they harm others. All of the dogs rescued from Michael Vick's dogfighting ring with the exception of one were able to be adopted out including one to a doctor form the Mayo clinic. People have a right to their opinion, but that's all it is. These dogs deserve better than misinformation & uninformed drivel which has been posted here.
Good comment, rarysgaard. I think that was true of the young woman and her pit. She got this dog for protection and got careless. It could have turned out really bad if it had been a child running around instead of me. This park has kids in it all the time, playing soccer and stuff. I have had two encounters now, a pit and a pit mix and both being handled by women. The one came at me, the other the lady had on a leash and it was all she could do to keep hold of the leash, luckily it was looped over her wrist, but that dog was really pulling a jerking her. When the dog gave up and they continue away, the lady looked back at me as if to say, "dogs know bad people", made me chuckle to my self. All dogs are wonderful and loving to their pack or family but some hate strangers. And as you must know, dog handlers breed dogs for certain qualities -- pit bulls were not breed to meet and greet. You are correct, it is the owners that are negligent, and liable. Going into a public park and letting them of leash is stupid. There is a reason the parks around where I live have a leash law. There is a dog park south of town, but for some it is either too far or their dog does not get along with other dogs. Anyway, most of the dogs I have encountered are great, curious and some very friendly. Recently two great danes came on to a field I was searching with a buddy and these small pony sized animals made there owners look small -- yes they were off leash. But what sweet animal. As we were talking with the owners one of them laid down to sun himself in the sun and the other came over between us, he leaned up against me like I was a leaning post but all he wanted was for me to pet him, beautiful animals, both were gray in color. I love dogs, they are fun and interesting but I would never own a Pit Bull or a mix -- peace, to one and all
rarysgaard said:
Opinions is opinions, but i think if you asked 1,000 people that have had experience with these animals, 999 of them would agree they need to be eradicated, and maybe 1 would would agree they are okay,"that it's just the owners fault". They were created & "bred" to kill and that is what it is, and that is what they are. Personally i have had experience with these animals and when i detect i carry pepper spray and a 45acp,, when i see most dogs approach me i will put my hand on my pepper spray, If i see a pit-bull approaching me I WILL put my hand on my 45acp. That is me, everyone should self protect themselves based on what they think their situation calls for.
mudpuppy said:Just for the sake of perhaps this might come in handy for one of us..and taking the substantial risk of being labelled the biggest bullcrapper of all time, forfeiting any reasonable believability of future mudpuppy posts by my F series brethren, I humbly submit this experience for your use as a last resort, in an effort that it might save one of you a mauling...
.
Back in the early 80's I found myself to be the caretaker of 17 grey wolves. They were housed 2 to a pen and the pens were in a circle with a wire enclosure all around.
Every day I would have to go in there to clean out the pens, I would open a door to a pen, step aside, and the male/female pair would run around in the main enclosure while I went into their pen and cleaned it out...then, you would walk out into the enclosure, and get away from their door and they would run back in there usually...usually...
The guy who owned the wolves told me it would happen and what to do WHEN I was attacked, so heres how you can actually disable/discourage or kill a big animal such as a wolf with your bare hands if needed.
When they come at you, offer them a forearm, make sure they clamp on it, with your other hand get a good grip on their lower jaw while falling over backwards in the same motion, lifting them off the ground. DO NOT let them plant their feet and shake, or in any way dilly dally trying to stay up on your feet, or get your arm out of their mouth, you want to try to choke them with the leverage you gained with your arm if you can, and draw them in tight to you, where you have even more leverage and strength, like an arm wrestler would do, see?....as you hit the ground with them on top of you, wrap your legs around their ribcage, lock your ankles together, and squeeze their chest as hard as you can with your legs. By exerting a twisting force on their lower jaw, and leveraging with the other, you roll them off you onto the side, then find an ear and bite it! The idea was to squeeze the air out of them and give them a good bite on their ear. They generally dont last long and start to pee and whine, and when you figure they are near the point of passing out, you can get up generally none the worse for wear if you are wearing a heavy long shirt or a carharrdt coat, you wont even get a scratch, a little bruising yes,..they will lay there whining, and heaving for breath...
They did this at least once per year to try to take your role as the "dominant male" of the pack, the rest were of course howling and going nuts and paying attention, so you dont want to lose or appear weak, or every one of them will want to have a go at you all the time.
I doubt this would work on something like a mastiff, their jaws are too short and by god are they thick, but for most any other dog like a shepard or doberman, rottweiler or pitt, should be no problem to kill them if you wanted to...it goes against all your natural instincts to get away, but it works if you can get in tight and control their mouth, jam your arm in there good so they cant get the leverage of their jaw muscles to deploy properly, and squeeze the air out of them. This is what you can do if you have no other options, and I dont know if it would work with more than one attacking you, seems the other wolf would never get involved when they saw what was going on, but sort of try to remember this when all else fails ...If you do this sometime, be sure to get a picture and post it here, or take the dogs collar for a trophy...
Mud
You would have a better chance against a black bear than a pit bull
Regarding Black bears, they say if one comes after you in the woods, dont play dead! You have to fight it off if you can, because it is coming in to kill you. There were loads of them in MN when I was trapping beaver, never had a problem at all with them, and I trapped beaver for the DNR all year round! a fellow could have a pile of carcasses out in the swamp from skinning those big beavers, and the next morning they would all be gone from the bears...I would not want to fight one off bare handed, they are too thick and strong....though with a good club I am pretty confident one could be killed, most being in the 300lb and under range, there was an 800lb one that got hit by a car I remember that would have been trouble to kill with a club I suppose....the moose is what scared me most in the woods...you would get up on them pretty close in a beaver swamp/thicket before you knew they were there, in the dark, and there would be nothing a guy could do to keep from getting killed by one of them if they charged at close quarters like that while you were knee deep in mud and all...I bet they would just stomp a fellow down in there with those big feet and mash you up real good. I always carried a club trapping, never a firearm of any sort, always clubbed if I had to, quick, quiet, ....a 2 iron is the best for this kind of work actually, you can use it as a hook to drag in the water for a wire, walking stick, etc...anyway, besides Pitts being number one, german shepards, rotts, dobes, wolf hybrids, huskys, malamutes, even StBernards are listed in the top 10 most dangerous dogs as far as making a record of killing people...If dachsunds were any bigger, I bet they would give it a try, and probably get away with it since they are so smart!
Mud .
Mud .
mudpuppy said:Regarding Black bears, they say if one comes after you in the woods, dont play dead! You have to fight it off if you can, because it is coming in to kill you. There were loads of them in MN when I was trapping beaver, never had a problem at all with them, and I trapped beaver for the DNR all year round! a fellow could have a pile of carcasses out in the swamp from skinning those big beavers, and the next morning they would all be gone from the bears...I would not want to fight one off bare handed, they are too thick and strong....though with a good club I am pretty confident one could be killed, most being in the 300lb and under range, there was an 800lb one that got hit by a car I remember that would have been trouble to kill with a club I suppose....the moose is what scared me most in the woods...you would get up on them pretty close in a beaver swamp/thicket before you knew they were there, in the dark, and there would be nothing a guy could do to keep from getting killed by one of them if they charged at close quarters like that while you were knee deep in mud and all...I bet they would just stomp a fellow down in there with those big feet and mash you up real good. I always carried a club trapping, never a firearm of any sort, always clubbed if I had to, quick, quiet, ....a 2 iron is the best for this kind of work actually, you can use it as a hook to drag in the water for a wire, walking stick, etc...anyway, besides Pitts being number one, german shepards, rotts, dobes, wolf hybrids, huskys, malamutes, even StBernards are listed in the top 10 most dangerous dogs as far as making a record of killing people...If dachsunds were any bigger, I bet they would give it a try, and probably get away with it since they are so smart!
Mud .
This is off topic, and i won't do it again.
But speaking of dauchunds, Mud you have sparked memories in me. Our family had a wirehaired dachsund when i was a young kid, many years ago. And it was one of the smartest dogs i ever knew. As a kid we would go rabbit hunting and it would jump and run rabbits for us. Then when we went squirrel hunting, it would find squirrels for us.... One thing i remember about that little wirehaired dachsund was it didn't have a fear of anything, it wasn't over 10 inches tall but it was tough and loved us kids.