Drop the lifetime warranty....

[Tee1up]

This original post was surprising coming from you. You are such a diehard proponent of Tesoro, from all the posts I've read of yours. From my understanding Tesoro is doing just fine with their current line-up. I understand there are newer, sexier looking detectors out there, and at times I am tempted to try looking at a screen again, but if they don't perform I don't care how modern and sexy they look.

I think for the most part, most people are not bogged down with useless cosmetics though I think the Tesoro machines look great.
The only change I would make to the Vaquero/Outlook/Cibola units would be to introduce some weather proofing options. I also like the idea of an all-purpose AT Pro that has some under water capability. Other than that i would not change anything.

 

[Rainyday101]

Tee1up, Tesoro has something wayyyyyy better than the AT Pro, it is called a Tiger Shark and not's just waterproof to 10 ft., it's waterproof to 250 feet! It also is a great land detector and Tesor makes a hip pouch so that you can put the control box in the pouch and have a super light land detector. I tried a buddys AT Pro for about half an hour, that was enough for me. Yeah it finds coins, but I thought it was an ergonomic disaster and I hated the small screen. I will be getting an Outlaw and a Tiger Shark very soon to compliment Silver uMax I already have. All my eggs will be in one basket so to speak, but they will be quality American Made products with the industries best warranty!

Oh almost forgot, all three of these great detectors will be less than the price of one Etrac. I am probably going to need to get a wheelbarrow to haul all the coins, rings, and silver home!

Viva la Tesoro! (long live Tesoro)

 

[Tee1up]

Thanks for the head's up.
I have no interest in an LCD display but I thought the Tiger was a pure water machine. Will have to look in to this.

Tee1up, Tesoro has something wayyyyyy better than the AT Pro, it is called a Tiger Shark and not's just waterproof to 10 ft., it's waterproof to 250 feet! It also is a great land detector and Tesor makes a hip pouch so that you can put the control box in the pouch and have a super light land detector. I tried a buddys AT Pro for about half an hour, that was enough for me. Yeah it finds coins, but I thought it was an ergonomic disaster and I hated the small screen. I will be getting an Outlaw and a Tiger Shark very soon to compliment Silver uMax I already have. All my eggs will be in one basket so to speak, but they will be quality American Made products with the industries best warranty!

Oh almost forgot, all three of these great detectors will be less than the price of one Etrac. I am probably going to need to get a wheelbarrow to haul all the coins, rings, and silver home!

Viva la Tesoro! (long live Tesoro)

 

[CladDog]

The Tiger Shark is well known for its sensitivity to jewelry like the Compadre, but it is on the heavier side and lots of folks prefer to hip mount it.

 

[Topo]

not at all, I'm very happy with my simply analog technology, I have the results I need

 

[atomicscott]

This original post was surprising coming from you. You are such a diehard proponent of Tesoro, from all the posts I've read of yours. From my understanding Tesoro is doing just fine with their current line-up. I understand there are newer, sexier looking detectors out there, and at times I am tempted to try looking at a screen again, but if they don't perform I don't care how modern and sexy they look.

I think for the most part, most people are not bogged down with useless cosmetics though I think the Tesoro machines look great.
The only change I would make to the Vaquero/Outlook/Cibola units would be to introduce some weather proofing options. I also like the idea of an all-purpose AT Pro that has some under water capability. Other than that i would not change anything.

Very good suggestion on the weatherproofing. That has to be a big appeal to an AT Pro buyer..

 

[:Left4Dead]

Tesoro doesn't need a new mouse trap. The one they have now is kicking butt at a faction of the cost of its competitors. The lifetime warranty is just the icing on the cake.

tabman

Amen!!

 

[SpiritRelic]

You guys are right on.I was just bored and thought of a dumb post.Won't let that happen again!

 

[rjsupersonic]

Now if Tesoro would come out with a pinpointer that would be cool????

 

[j piddle]

I personally have been wishing that one of the metal detector makers would realize that most of us are toting computers out into the field in the form of smart phones. If someone would just pipe all of the data out to a USB port or perhaps via bluetooth, there would be a gob of programmers writing interfaces for using / interpreting that data. It would allow them to keep costs low (you bring your own screen and programming) while allowing the detectorist to do crazy stuff like recording video, taking pictures, talking on speaker phone, whatever while detecting. It would also finally put all of the controls, all of the data, everything into our hands, unbound by knobs or fixed interfaces.

Anyhow, GPS devices have special protocols for talking to computers. There is no reason that a similar protocol could not be developed for metal detecting. Owning / controlling the protocol would be a special distinction, too.

Oh well, enough dreaming....

Top

Or you can go buy that technology today already in a detector...Minelab CTX 3030. Hmmm... I hear with all those bells and whistles, it still lacks depth. Where have I heard that before?

Would 11" on a dime be considered as lacking depth?

 

[wheatymike]

What some fail to realize is the technology we are dealing with, in essence, has not changed in a long time, and every manufacture uses it. From it's inception VLF type detectors all do the same thing. They simply send out a radio frequence and recieve it and then try to make a guess about what is under the coil based on the information from the recieved frequence. If there were a better way, all of the manufactures would jump on board and use it. As it stands I don't see a advantage in the use of a digitl numeric read out. It is still a guess based on" limited" information about a target that has a infinite number of variables affecting the signal respones. Even an Etrac can't tell the difference in a gold ring and a pulltab. beep beep

 

[Rainyday101]

What wheatymike said 100%. You can talk about that new technology and new magic detectors till hell freezes over. VLF tech. is the same and has been the same for many years now. Quit asking for the impossible. The FCC limits transmit power. You send a VLF signal out, you receive it, based on conductivity of the target you process the received signal and make a guess at what the target is on that fancy display. So what can you do different? You can filter the signal, boost the gain of the reciever, average results etc. and then still make a guess at what target to indicate on that fancy display. For now, I will listen to the tone and let my brain and ears do all that fancy digital work. And doing so I will decide and make better guesses as to if I am going to dig or not. The big problem with the display is that many good targets and trash items have the same conductivity and will fool your fancy display every time. My ears can make better decisions based on tone variances. Oh yeah you can send multiple frequencies out but your transmit power is still limited by the FCC. A multiple freq. machine doesn't have more power, it can simply try to make a better guess as to what the target is by analyzing the return signal at several frequencies. Great, but as I said earlier some trash targets have the same conductivity as good targets. What is indicated on the display is still a guess, maybe a little better guess, but still a guess.

The fine single freq. machines made by Tesoro are as deep as these overpriced detectors with their fancy displays. Tesoro = value, big bang for the buck, and proven performance. I like them just the way they are!

Almost forgot some of them fancy machines have multiple tones. Big deal, those tones are output based on the recieved signal and target conductivity, so a digital value decides what tone is output. Remember some good items and trash have the same conductivity. The digital value will then give you that same good tone. Some manufacturers do this better than others. I'll listen for the variances in my single tone and make my decisions based on this better than someones program for a digital micro processor that is responsible for multiple tone generation and display information.

Soooo, get off Tesoro's butt. They have done an EXCELLENT job at working with the current VLF technology by making EXCEPTIONAL equipment at EXCEPTIONAL prices. Their line up of machines has something to cover all of needs of detecting and all the skill levels. Oh, and the best part- Tesoro's "entry level" detectors are better the most others mid-priced machines. So Tesoro makes great detectors at great prices and you throw in their customer service and it is a no brainer! I have NEVER seen a company in the US manufacturing sector that has better customer service, NEVER!

I own a Silver uMax (love it) and am buying a Tiger Shark and an Outlaw. Three excellent detectors for less than the price of a E-trac. I'm happy!

 

[atomicscott]

I personally have been wishing that one of the metal detector makers would realize that most of us are toting computers out into the field in the form of smart phones. If someone would just pipe all of the data out to a USB port or perhaps via bluetooth, there would be a gob of programmers writing interfaces for using / interpreting that data. It would allow them to keep costs low (you bring your own screen and programming) while allowing the detectorist to do crazy stuff like recording video, taking pictures, talking on speaker phone, whatever while detecting. It would also finally put all of the controls, all of the data, everything into our hands, unbound by knobs or fixed interfaces.

Anyhow, GPS devices have special protocols for talking to computers. There is no reason that a similar protocol could not be developed for metal detecting. Owning / controlling the protocol would be a special distinction, too.

Oh well, enough dreaming....

Top

Or you can go buy that technology today already in a detector...Minelab CTX 3030. Hmmm... I hear with all those bells and whistles, it still lacks depth. Where have I heard that before?

Would 11" on a dime be considered as lacking depth?

Ok, that's very impressive. I don't have any personal experience with the ctx, I just read it somewhere. I wish my Vaquero got anywhere close to 11"!

 

[atomicscott]

I personally have been wishing that one of the metal detector makers would realize that most of us are toting computers out into the field in the form of smart phones. If someone would just pipe all of the data out to a USB port or perhaps via bluetooth, there would be a gob of programmers writing interfaces for using / interpreting that data. It would allow them to keep costs low (you bring your own screen and programming) while allowing the detectorist to do crazy stuff like recording video, taking pictures, talking on speaker phone, whatever while detecting. It would also finally put all of the controls, all of the data, everything into our hands, unbound by knobs or fixed interfaces.

Anyhow, GPS devices have special protocols for talking to computers. There is no reason that a similar protocol could not be developed for metal detecting. Owning / controlling the protocol would be a special distinction, too.

Oh well, enough dreaming....

Top

Or you can go buy that technology today already in a detector...Minelab CTX 3030. Hmmm... I hear with all those bells and whistles, it still lacks depth. Where have I heard that before?

Would 11" on a dime be considered as lacking depth?

Ok, that's very impressive. I don't have any personal experience with the ctx, I just read it somewhere. I wish my Vaquero got anywhere close to 11"!

On a dime I forgot to add! One thing that would be cool is, if Tesoro updated the owners manuals. They really have an outdated look, if you look at some of the Fisher or Tek manuals, they have a fresh, exciting feel to them (I know it sounds kinda corny). There also seems to be alot more helpful info such as target recognition and other tips that would be helpful for a new user, or good reminders for an experienced detectorist (no matter what brand you swing).