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excalibur 2 vs fisher cz21

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Swingbeepdig

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I had a dual field pro but got rid of it.

I'm now looking for a great wet sand and salt water detector since I'm focused more on beaches than land.

Why do you think excalibur is the best choice for me.thank you
 
That depends on where you hunt I think. The guys around me all swing the Excal II... Most had the CZ-21 and then got the Excal. One is going back to the CZ so he says, but both seem to work well.

I have an Excal and the only drawback is the weight and crappy stock shaft. A straight shaft and you're good to go...

Good luck and HH!
 
Head to head comparisons are difficult to make, since a lot depends on the teck who designed them and what he wants the machine to do and find. There are coil differences as well concentric vs DD. Your choice may even vary based on location and salt/mineral content in the water. Ease of use and if the machine and user jell. Like was mentioned some may use both and prefer one over the other. You cant go wrong with either machine.... both have their strengths and weaknesses based on targets you want to find and location. Its really a flip of the coin between the two.

Dew
 
They are both great detectors for salt water,but this is the Excal and Sov forum.Go with the Excal.Good luck,LOL though if you choose the Fisher you're still welcomed on this forum..HH Ron
 
iv owned 4 of each cz and excal.i like both but i like the Excal better because of the Iron null.the cz tends to like Iron too well for me.the cz likes bottle caps also . and the excal does a very good job knocking them out. and the tone id of the excal is way better than the cz..i hip mount both so weight is not an issue.i do think the cz is built better but overall i will take the Excal.
 
I"v been pondering the same thing for months now. Talk about analysis paralysis! Depending on who I talked to made me want one or the other. Scathing reviews of the Excal's price and then having to modify it to get it good, CZ's iron sensitivity,light coil, etc. I just went with my gut and what people use here. So... I just checked the tracking and I get my new Excal today!!:clapping: I have one question. I use an Explorer ll with the shoulder harness now, Can I use the harness on the Excal for now? Thanks!
 
here is a pic of how i like to mount the Excal.also i use a swingy thingy on a plugger strait shaft.
 
Nice setup, but how do you adjust your settings during a hunt ???
 
I think there are a lot of hunters who have used both an Excal and CZ20/21 (me included) to know that the differences in depth/sensitivity to targets is minimal, and it boils down to what uniti is going to give YOU the confidence to be productive.

There are several differences in each unit, which only you can decide which ones would benefit you the most. Below are some of the main ones:

CZ - Dual frequency, Silent search in discrimination mode, manual ground balance, 3 tones, concentric coil design, low tone on iron in discrimate mode when set to 0

Excal - Multi-frequency, Threshold based in discriminate mode, automatic ground balance, multiple tones, DD coil design, null on iron in discriminated mode

So...if you are more comfortable with a threshold based, automatic ground balance unit and like DD coils, then the Excal would be best. If you like a silent search unit (some divers do), manual ground balance where you can set it a tad positive or negative, and like concentric coil design due to it being a bit easier to pin point, then a CZ would fit the bill.

Last thing you want to harp over is the depth differences between these 2 machines. I know that in the areas I hunt, the NJ beaches, the depth difference is a moot point. Plus, conditions dictate which unit, if any, would be deeper and even when one may be deeper, the difference is minimal.
 
I wouldn't call it automatic ground balance on the Excal or Sovereign. Automatic ground balance on normal VLF detectors usually means auto ground tracking. That kind of ground balance can track out deep targets. BBS and FBS machines use a very different way to compensate for the ground signal. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. Sorry for being picky about it. It is in a sense "automatic" in that you don't have to set it, but it's a much better system than automatic ground tracking on conventional detectors. It won't "track" out deep targets like conventional ground or "auto" tracking can, and the method the Minelabs use insure penetration in many types of ground matrix (minerals).

Again, I'm sure I'm being too picky about it so I apologize. I just don't want anybody new to these machines thinking that they use typical auto ground tracking. I'm not a fan of that because it's a compromise and will cost you depth on targets. Even worse is preset ground balance that you can't change. I'd never buy either one of those kinds of machines. If I wasn't using a Minelab I'd own a machine that at least has manual ground balance that can be set and won't change with tracking.

The Sovereign GT does have conventional ground tracking in All Metal mode. You can either run it in fixed or tracking modes. When I do use it I use tracking and pump the coil to set it, and then switch over to fixed for max depth.

Once again don't mean to be a stick in the mud. Just trying to clearify these things for people shopping for a detector.

One advantage of the Excal over the Fisher is that you'd have to re-set the ground balance on the Fisher if you move from dry to wet sand. If you keep moving in and out of those areas that could be an issue.

Although it's not meant to do it, you can turn down the threshold on the Excal to just where you can't hear it. The GT has a silent search option which is meant for you to hunt without a threshold. I prefer using the threshold mode, though.
 
Another plus for the excall is the automatic ground balancing. Very nice to have. I own one...hoping to get a new one an mod current one...but not lookin so good. Hh. -Joe




Bling said:
iv owned 4 of each cz and excal.i like both but i like the Excal better because of the Iron null.the cz tends to like Iron too well for me.the cz likes bottle caps also . and the excal does a very good job knocking them out. and the tone id of the excal is way better than the cz..i hip mount both so weight is not an issue.i do think the cz is built better but overall i will take the Excal.
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what about the eureka gold or the goldbug for the beach anyone tried it, ive been using the cz5 for years and want to try something new. was wondering about a gold machine at the beach i am hunting gold? what u guy's think?
 
u2robert said:
what about the eureka gold or the goldbug for the beach anyone tried it, ive been using the cz5 for years and want to try something new. was wondering about a gold machine at the beach i am hunting gold? what u guy's think?
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Of the two you mentioned, sounds like you would be interested in a little more sensitivity towards gold? If thats what your after have a look at an At pro or AT gold, really nice machines and both very sensitive to smaller gold and ID pretty well also. Doesnt go as deep as the CZ5 but will ground balance equally as well as the CZ does on a salt water beach and work well inland with a meter and tone ID. I think they are as good as it gets for the money.
 
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