So I'm getting to know more about my Exp ll and and I think it's great that we can pick and choose what targets we want and don't want. It's a lot more precise then the basic notch feature that I'm use to. But I'm wondering as with most other detectors, do we loose any depth with the more discrimination we use?
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[Expll ?] Depth & Disc.
- Thread starter Dang
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king-ghidorah
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Dang said:
The more discrimination you use the more depth you lose. I would read this through some of the MD books I have. The best performance you will get although you will not like all the digging is the AM mode.
YES & definitely YES!!!!---You've got to get that thing opened up (for targets & depth).--That goes for the Explorer and ANY detector.---You start closeing it in and it's going to cost you.---I learned a hard lesson on that a long time ago.---Fancy patterns may be fine for the week end warrior or surface hunting----but if your serious about the old deep--difficult targets---huh uh.
The correct answer to that question was yes, yes and most definitely yes.
The quicker you learn the tones and can hunt with the least amount of discrimination possible, the better. It would be a good idea if you want to speed up your learning curve a great deal to get a smaller coil. Makes it much easier to learn the machine with coil control, separation and pin pointing. Sun Ray makes a killer 8 inch that was my favorite learning the SE, still big enough to get good depth and yet small enough to use in medium trash. They also make a probe for that that many swear by to the point people literally hold off buying a detector until a Sun Ray probe is available for it.
The quicker you learn the tones and can hunt with the least amount of discrimination possible, the better. It would be a good idea if you want to speed up your learning curve a great deal to get a smaller coil. Makes it much easier to learn the machine with coil control, separation and pin pointing. Sun Ray makes a killer 8 inch that was my favorite learning the SE, still big enough to get good depth and yet small enough to use in medium trash. They also make a probe for that that many swear by to the point people literally hold off buying a detector until a Sun Ray probe is available for it.Jim upstate NY
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If the ground is clean and you dont have a lot of near by signals then using a lot of disc wont affect depth much if any, but then again if the ground is that free of targets and no iron then why use disc at all?.. in trashier ground the target averaging and masking will, cause you to miss targets if you have too much disc'ed out..
I think most of the experienced users use a wide open screen with perhaps a little iron mask, and just listen to all the targets.. I know in some areas that can be nerve racking, so a little disc or a coin only pattern may help alleviate the stress.. most places that trashy there is so much stuff hiding the deeper targets you wont hear them anyway even with a wide open screen, unless you dig the trash out of the way... but if you can stand it the less disc the better your going to get those deeper ones in the semi trashy areas and the ones near trash..
Hey if your in an old spot and its loaded with modern trash, nothing wrong with going at it with a high conductive coin only pattern, just the top right opened up.. or better yet I have a pattern I use in those kind of spots that opens the complete top of the screen from the right open all the way to and just stopping short of opening nails with a medium cursor, that way if you get near on in the iron the iron wont mask it out as much, and not much junk comes in at the top except nails.. then about the place where pennies come in down about 3 cursor sizes, and a spot open for nickels.. then just get in the trash and sweep very slowly.. you can pick off the easy coins this way and not have to listen to 3 or 4 targets each sweep.. then after you clean those out you can open it up more if desired.. looks something like this
I think most of the experienced users use a wide open screen with perhaps a little iron mask, and just listen to all the targets.. I know in some areas that can be nerve racking, so a little disc or a coin only pattern may help alleviate the stress.. most places that trashy there is so much stuff hiding the deeper targets you wont hear them anyway even with a wide open screen, unless you dig the trash out of the way... but if you can stand it the less disc the better your going to get those deeper ones in the semi trashy areas and the ones near trash..
Hey if your in an old spot and its loaded with modern trash, nothing wrong with going at it with a high conductive coin only pattern, just the top right opened up.. or better yet I have a pattern I use in those kind of spots that opens the complete top of the screen from the right open all the way to and just stopping short of opening nails with a medium cursor, that way if you get near on in the iron the iron wont mask it out as much, and not much junk comes in at the top except nails.. then about the place where pennies come in down about 3 cursor sizes, and a spot open for nickels.. then just get in the trash and sweep very slowly.. you can pick off the easy coins this way and not have to listen to 3 or 4 targets each sweep.. then after you clean those out you can open it up more if desired.. looks something like this
digitrich said:
Wholeheartedly agree. The day I put the factory raincover on my SE was the day I finally learned the tones. I'll could NOT (and still cannot) see the screen with that danged cover on, so I started using ears/tones only (... as I did not want to stop detecting due to a light drizzle at the time). At that point, I finally started aurally deciphering the "flutey" or "jingley" tones from everything else (especially iron falsing (which is more of a "screech" to me)). Ferrous-AM-ManualSens.
Anyway, tones, tones, TONES!
Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted.
SCM
king-ghidorah
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Steve(OR) said:digitrich said:
Wholeheartedly agree. The day I put the factory raincover on my SE was the day I finally learned the tones. I'll could NOT (and still cannot) see the screen with that danged cover on, so I started using ears/tones only (... as I did not want to stop detecting due to a light drizzle at the time). At that point, I finally started aurally deciphering the "flutey" or "jingley" tones from everything else (especially iron falsing (which is more of a "screech" to me)). Ferrous-AM-ManualSens.
Anyway, tones, tones, TONES!
Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted.
SCM
That's a pet peeve of mine too. That damn raincover makes the SE screen even harder to see than it already is so one's audio perception abilities best be heightened.