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Here is a list of explorer II numbers (Ferrous/Conductive), translated and transferred from http://groups.msn.com/MinelabExplorerXSusers/digitalchart1.msnw
Print it off, fold it in half at the 5 ferrous point, and laminate it. It fits nicely in the pocket.
Dennis
 
Thanks for the posting. Personally I have noticed dimes coming in on my XS II around 3/28 and nickels anywhere from 9/5 to 10/6.
Bill
 
Done! <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
 
I have had my Explorer II for about 6 months now.A silver mercury reads fer 03 cond 29.A silver washington
reads fer 03 or 04,cond 30.A walker half reads fer 04 or 05 cond 31.I have have dug 3 each of these coins since I have had my machine.These readings are pretty consistant.The ferrous value may differ a couple of digits one way or the other.A clad quarter reads fer 00
cond 29.I flagged an 1883 siver dollar and it read fer 00 cond 25.The coins [except the dollar]were about 4 or five inches deep.
 
And not having an ExII to begin with. BUT, I think that chart will do more harm than good. Deep coins and coins with trash do not and will not lock on the screen or on any set of numbers. If someone waits till the numbers lock on one spot and stay there, they are leaving coins for me to find! <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D"> Oh wait, nevermind, go by the chart! <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
But, I do appreciate the effort that someone made to make the chart and for you for posting it to help out. I do think the chart has a purpose for reference, but I sure would dig signals that sound good and don't always say what the chart does! I am just giving my 2 corroded zincs worth.
 
Hey Ric,
And everybody else. In perfect conditions you can go by the numbers, but if you really want to find coins.....NOT.
In perfect conditions coins will ID where they should. But in normal hunting conditions... Say like they are buried in the ground, or even worse buried deep or in mineralized soil, or within a foot of a trash signal they will not give a text book signal most of the time. The whole key to the explorer is to let the machine tell you as much as possible. I have an XS not an XS II, so I don't get the dual numbers. But... there is a reason that much data is published in graph form: It is easier for humans to understand. That is why the 2 axis display is better. Targets will bounce in and out of where they should. It is how they bounce that gives you the clue whether to dig or not.
If you are going only by numbers I can garentee that you are missing much.
Chris
 
and it is indeed a reference point, ONLY. I continue to dig most signals, but I am trying to learn WHAT it is BEFORE I dig it.
The chart is not an absolute reference, but, rather a chart to help those of use who are not yet learned enough to know what the numbers are likely to represent. I would be glad to make changes to the chart is anyone has good info. Just email me at firefly@aledobb.com and I will alter the exel file they are in. Then, I will be happy to post them again.....
HH
Dennis
 
<img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin">
 
Sorry Dennis, wasn't trying to be-little your work. It is a great chart. As long as everyone knows that signals in the ground will not always hit where the chart says it will. I would suggest planting some coins with nails and writing down the numbers how they bounce also. On my XS, a wheat and a nickel in the same hole will hit right smack dab in the middle of the screen where a tab hits. It averages hits out like that. There are just so many variables.
Please don't think I am coming down on you though. I have a friend, that doesn't post btw, that has had his explorer over 3 years. The poor guy may find one wheat penny if we all go out for 8+ hours. And that is only because where we hunt the signals are all with trash and he will only dig signals that lock on to 28 digital. Which there are none left. We have tried and tried to help him but it does no good. So that is the major reason I preach about bouncing targets so much.
 
I agree with you but if you are going by any one dispaly, Iron Mask, Smartfind, or Digital we are missing much.
We don't have to guess where the numbers actually read for a hit. It is not a nail in the same hole that is a problem but magnetic soil from iron ferrites. It is a simple matter to use a piece of iron and coins touching and at different distances from iron to see where the number skew to and then when we see the bouncing crosshairs or digital reading to know what the actual in the soil digital readings or crosshairs are for a specific target. Even a null still gives us a digital reading if we have noticed and can be used to tell us were the targets skews to in a black rejected area in conjunction to where it hits in the open screen.
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A tremendous value of the digital numbers is that they alwasy read no matter if the target is accepted or rejected.</span> Learning to read both the null digital number in conjunction with the positive hit digital numbers is one of the most valuable features of the digital screen to ID targets. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">The crosshairs cannot be seen in a rejected area or can a tone be hear but the digital numbers are still indicated.</span> This can be a real value if we use an iorn mask and the target is jumping from the clear area to the mask area as we sweep the coil which is often what is going on but we don's see or hear it because we don't look at the digital screen.
HH, Cody
 
One addition you might add is that a zinc (stink) penny reads like an Indian head about 7-25 or 7-26.
Good chart as it shows where some things you don't normally find fall. I've been in the field and seen bouncy readings that I hadn't dug that were marginal before like the 9-7 and the 8-12. I've dug these but usually found trash before, I'll make sure to more closely investigate this range now.
But as these folks pointed out, usually hits do not lock on with the Explorer for a lot of reasons. For example I've found dimes that read like a wheat penny and vice versa. Also I don't think you can say that ALL 5-10 and 6-10 signals are nickles - I can tell you from experience I've dug pull tabs in that range on a regular basis. You wouldn't believe the sheer amount of twisted tabs or twisted beavertails I've found or the signals they can give.
Still all in all it's an excellent reference, just keep in mind not to swear by the numbers and dig based on other factors such as the sound as well as the digital readings.
My 2 stinks worth!
 
Well I am sorry to see this going on. I hoped the Exp II would be better at ids than my XLT was. It seems it will give the same varying response as my XLT.
But perhaps it does better. XLT was great at coins but everything else was iffy and coins too under difficult conditions.
Does the first number get used much. I see most good targets yield 20 to 30.
Sounds like we are back to "dig it all"
 
I don't have the XSII and did not know that the digital numbers would still show even for targets in the rejected area. I can see this being an advantage. I usually use no or minimal discrimination so I can see the target icon. I wouldn't think it would be hard for minelab to reprogram so the icon would show in reverse color in the disc'ed out areas in Smart Screen.
But not sure I agree that iron ferrites are the only thing that cause the target icon/numbers to be off. A coin can be co-located with an almost infinite number of different kinds of trash in infinite number of possible relative positions. It is fairly easy with experience to see how a silver/coppper coin with iron may bounce, because that is by far the most usual combination, but there are plenty of other combinations. I was at a another site yesterday that had been hit fairly hard before and found a merc with a bit of aluminum wire. It scewed the target in an unusual way. I dug the aluminum wire first and was going to move on and said "That isn't right", rescanned the hole and got the merc. I think if I had just been looking at numbers and not seeing the icon bounce around I would have probably never dug in the first place. But that may also be a matter of what one is used to.
Chris
 
I did not mean that iron ferrites were the only thing that will cause the reading to be off. A target not centered under the coil, co-located targets, iron that is close to the target, and other magnetic minerals in the soil, plus the decay of the target, all will skew the reading. My intentions were that some form of iron is the most common reason for the reading to be off.
Jewelry will really be off so I don't pay much attention to any specific readings, charts, for rings or any other jewelry. Indian heads will skew all the way from the right top of the screen to the left top depending on the alloy of the coin and the other variable we have meantioned. I have seen a silver quater skew all the way to about the -14 iron mask area if close to a piece of iron about the size of half a standard horseshoe. If the iron is about 1/4 that size then the quarter will skew to about a -3.
If we consider different sizes of coins and iron then there is some kind of ratio that will skew the coin reading to the left depending on how the ferous and conductive properties look. The iron is just an example of what magnetic soils will do in any form. I think there is a net results of the magnetic and conductive soil minerals that skew the coins and refined iorn in the soil.
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I don't know how much effort we wnat to put into knowing what that skew is.</span> I do know that if we hit a coin next to iron we get a postive hit and see the typical digital readings for ferrous and conductivity in one direction of the sweep but in the reverse direction the skew can be into the black rejected area of iron mask or a pattern so we hear no tone or see a crosshairs. We do however see the digital reading for the null. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">A positive 0/29 will skew to 20/22 as an example and if the iron mask is set at -3 then we get no tone or crosshairs for this null reading. We can hear this using ferrous sounds or we can go by the digital readings of 0/29 and then the null reading of 20/22. Null reading provide valuable information if we use any iron mask setting above -16 or a pattern in Smartfind.</span>
Is all this worth the effort? I think it is for some users at some sites as I see a large cent that was found posted above by going after a null reading. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">I don't think we can do much more than look at digital readings complied from air test as anything but a very general reference.</span> It all comes together to help us dig less and find more unless we go to all metal and tones then we get skewed tones for the same reasons the crosshairs and digital reading are skewed. Gold jewelry can hit anywhere on the screen so we can have any tone or crosshair locations. <span style="background-color:#ffff00;">Do we dig all hits because we may miss that gold ring worth 5K or do we play the odds? </span>I play the odds and go by the site and what I think is down there. There are locations were I use almost nothing but IM-16 and others where it is a pattern for nothing but nonferrous hits and use the null readings in the black rejected area to find the ones I would miss so use the digital screen.
Well this started out to be brief but turned into a long drawn out explanation.
HH, Cody
 
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