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F-F-F-Farewell more F Series detectors...Glad to know ya!

REVIER

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A dealer in another forum says he just got the word...
As of 3/31/17 the F4, F5 and the F70 are going to be discontinued.
With the Patriot F70 clone coming that is no surprise, the F4 was a very expensive F2 put in place just to fill a gap as far as I was concerned but the F5 going away I didn't see coming.
What are you knob boys gonna do now?
 
Stock up on 'em--that's what they're gonna do!-----They have had their "run".
REVIER said:
A dealer in another forum says he just got the word...
As of 3/31/17 the F4, F5 and the F70 are going to be discontinued.
With the Patriot F70 clone coming that is no surprise, the F4 was a very expensive F2 put in place just to fill a gap as far as I was concerned but the F5 going away I didn't see coming.
What are you knob boys gonna do now?
 
What do you mean by saying "Patriot F70 clone coming" --------------I read it as there is another F70 going to hit the market----------after1----------
 
The Patriot IS the F70...just changed brand names and color graphics so I expected the F70 to go bye bye.
When you can buy the Patriot for $399 with the big DD coil who is crazy enough to get an F70 at $600+ now?

From all the moves FTP is making we won't know for sure until they announce something but it seems obvious the Fisher arm of the company is making room for more and newer models of some kind.
Definitely higher end especially after the price drops on the still popular F75 flagship but who knows...maybe some new midrange models too?
They have the lower end covered with the newer F11, F22, F44 models, the F75 is still there at this point but now with this move there are some huge gaps in their lineup.
They haven't said anything to me and they are not the kind of company to announce anything till they are close to letting them loose but I was in retail for close to 30 years and companies don't generally drop flagship prices or discontinue and decimate their lines like this for no reason.
I think they are definitely working on a plan of some kind.
We will see when we will see.
 
That leaves an important gap between the F2 (which from what I understand will continue) and the departing F4 and F5. If one doesn't want a 13 kHz machine for whatever reason they only have 1 choice as a step up from the F2 and that's the F44. They need something in that bracket to be better than the F44 and to "compete" with the Omega 8500. Perhaps Fisher has a machine in the works that will be an Omega 8500 equivalent with a different form factor ? This news gives me more reasons to hang on to my F5.
 
dfmike said:
That leaves an important gap between the F2 (which from what I understand will continue) and the departing F4 and F5. If one doesn't want a 13 kHz machine for whatever reason they only have 1 choice as a step up from the F2 and that's the F44. They need something in that bracket to be better than the F44 and to "compete" with the Omega 8500. Perhaps Fisher has a machine in the works that will be an Omega 8500 equivalent with a different form factor ? This news gives me more reasons to hang on to my F5.

The F2 was already discontinued awhile ago.
There are still a few in the pipelines but getting that great 2 coil package value is pretty much history from what I can tell but the single units are still around with both the 8" concentric and maybe a few with the DD coil...for now.
Still good value but the F22 pretty much has taken that price point slot and the F44 is an upgraded version with even more popular features for those that prefer them.
Their spread in the entry level lower end is pretty good so I don't expect any changes there.
That does leave a big gap, there is definitely some room there but the advantage this company has is is an umbrella company with three brands under it and those brands can share technology across all platforms and they are doing that already...just look at the new generation Bounty Hunters like the LRP.
With the three brands they also have most price points covered pretty well right now and even if the F70, LRP and Euro Tek Pro are jumping to this new brand they are still around the same as always.

These gaps in the Fisher line I expect to be filled with new products that offer something different technology wise or feature rich than what already exists across their lines whatever the brands or names they want to call them.

FTP is not a company that usually sits on their behinds for very long from what I can tell or if they were I don't think they are anymore because of the changing landscape.
There are rumors of new units in the works and I am sure these people have noticed the new foreign jobs from some companies that are fast to adapt and improve and are putting out some very well thought of products.
This can't sit very well with them, I assume, losing sales to other companies might be bothering them and with the engineering talent they have behind them I think they are utilizing those guys and doing something about it.
Plus the Ameritek marketing method is brand new and I don't think this will be the only new move these guys are going to make.

I am still shocked that that much more expensive F70 is now going to be sold at the new much lower price point, that they came out with the anniversary model F75 so cheap and that $300 drop on the fully loaded F75 2 coil package was also surprising.

This is all just a starting point for them, I think...it takes time to implement new procedures, come out with good value new products that aren't just rehashed old ones, introduce new technology if possible and get it all working right...it doesn't happen all at once for any company.

Like I said if and when it will all happen it will happen but on FTP's timetable which nobody knows but them.
 
One thing about FT. They are known for quietly making minor - and not so minor - changes to the programming and hardware of their existing models to optimize their performance.

The detectors are not upgradable over the internet, but given XP's issues with their V 4 software, you can maybe see why they aren't keen to go down that road.

There are a lot of talented engineers in the factory in El Paso - they aren't cutting out paper dolls!
 
dan b said:
The F5 was (is) a nice machine.

It still is and will always be.
Plus the tactile feel of those knobs is different than many other brands and many love that.
I love getting my knob turning experience using my Tesoros.
They will still be around on the used market, hunters will be using these things for years to come.
I have come across several hunters around here that still use vintage White's detectors and have no plans on changing unless they won't turn on anymore.
They might be technological dinosaurs but after learning and using these things for decades they have become one with them and they can still run rings around many because they know them so well.
Time marches on always, in manufacturing, especially in this hobby where many people are looking for the latest, greatest tools they can find even if they get them just a little bit more of an edge, that old saying is true...You either lead, follow or get out of the way.
I think FTP likes to think of themselves as leaders so if something is going to come along and fit in that soon to be vacant F5 slot and price point it might be pretty cool.
 
I was at Cableas last weekend and picked up an F70 from the Bargain Cave for $270 because it is being discontinued. I have only used it for about an hour but can already tell that it's going to be a fun summer!
 
Bandito said:
I was at Cableas last weekend and picked up an F70 from the Bargain Cave for $270 because it is being discontinued. I have only used it for about an hour but can already tell that it's going to be a fun summer!

$270 new...amazing?

Search through this F Series forum for tons of info about using this one.
So many possible settings that can do remarkable things in any site...anywhere.
 
To me this all points to a big,big change coming.
And no I'm not in any kinda loop,just a wild ass guess
 
I'll speculate they won't release much new. And that they will end up not being financially stable or something. Just watch.

Kinda like how tesoro sucks at manufacturing and can't keep mojaves in production and all the dealers are having issues.
 
Zinc Penny said:
I'll speculate they won't release much new. And that they will end up not being financially stable or something. Just watch.

Kinda like how tesoro sucks at manufacturing and can't keep mojaves in production and all the dealers are having issues.

FTP is not Tesoro...a huge difference between the companies regarding amount of employees, amount of divisions and facilities.
Love Tesoro but they are like a small mom and pop business compared to most other American manufacturers.
Nothing wrong with that, there are advantages and disadvantages to being either large or small.

Mostly I believe directly comparing them is not possible because of the big difference in resources between the two.
 
ZP, don't worry about First Texas products. They are doing just fine – in terms of number of units sold they are likely the largest in the world. They have a large engineering staff, state of the art production facilities capable of turning out huge quantities of product and marketing team who travel the world supporting existing markets and finding new ones.

They also have a reputation for making so many different models over their three product lines - plus house brand products for mass-market outlets – that some folks say that even FT don't know how many different models make! lol.

I suspect they're simply rationalizing their product offerings and making way for the introduction of new products at all levels. I like what I suspect that these new products will mostly be similar in performance Cortu their existing product line but offer improved packaging and user interface. Behind the faceplate I would expect that they will have improved software,more advanced components and probably offer more performance for the price than their existing models.

I'm guessing of course – but I'm basing my guesses on knowing that they have a large and extremely well trained engineering staff in the most modern production facility in the metal detector business. If you ever know Paso and you call ahead I'm sure they'd be happy to give you a tour of their existing facility. If you come a bit later – like maybe early next year – you will see your brand-new facility just down the road from their present facility in El Paso - which is under construction.
 
The F5 was a pretty good machine, very innovative UI IMHO, blending an analog and digital feel and interface.

F4 has outlived it's life-cycle considering the multitude of better low end machines FT makes, and the F70, I know it has a huge following, but it was never that deep in my neck of the woods, which was odd as my F75 sure is. Maybe I had a bad one?

I hope they are setting the stage to release a new flagship detector platform, I know we've sure been speculating on what it'll be, and anticipating it's release for several years now, without so much of a hint from FT about their future (aside from the leaked Fisher Mosca and Fisher CZX purported leaked PPT slides). I guess my incoming Impact will have to fill the void, but I'm still hopeful that when FT releases their flagship units, they'll indeed still be in the game with something new and innovative (and at a competitive price point).

hh,
Cal
 
Cal, like you, I am hopeful.

In addition, I know for a fact that FT has more than a dozen excellent engineers working not only on new breakthrough stuff, but continuously improving existing models.

If you ever get to El Paso, you can see it - state of the art production and distribution facilities and at the far end of the building, where the marketing and sales guys need to leave them mostly alone - that great technical talent.

Yes, I am a fan and a believer. I also respect the achievements of their competitors - American, Australian, French and now Turkish.

The benchmarks in single frequency detection set by the T2 have been challanged by "fast followers". The benchmark of multi freq. detection set by Minelab anf Fisher have only been followed by Whites - I look for great progress there from several companies.
 
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