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Fast & Deep Settings

Great finds and it is obvious that FAST and DEEP work well for you. Unfortuantely this is an issue that has been blown completely out of reason.
Deep is Audio boost for faint targest so it is a matter of do we want faint target boost or not. Most detector now days have that as an automatic function. The Explorer also has audio modulation so give users the option of modulation with audio boost On or OFF. An ultra deep target with very faint modulation can be kicked up with DEEP audio boost. It does not have to be used with or without FAST. Fast is a question of do we want the threshold to recover faster after a null or stay at the normal preset value for recover. This helps in areas with a lot of trash but can cost us some ultra deep hits as the threshold recovers too quick. There always seem to be trade offs in electronics. Thank heavens we don't have to go back to the ones we used 40 years ago.
I agree with C.C. that there is no need to make this complicated for new users. The bottom line is set them where you like them. We forget that there are many that have only been at this a few years or even less and can get very confused with all the electronics and settings.
Have a good one,
HH, Cody
 
C.C., Let me ask you a serious question? You are a seasoned user and make a lot of very good contributions to the fourms and I wnat to give you credit for that as you deserve it. However, to the question and that is what is it that you think DEEP does? I am honestly interested in how you believe this is involved with where the sensitivity is set or if the Audio Gain is set for modulation or not.
So, if you turn DEEP on what is it you think the detector does that it was not doing when it was off. You may or may not get deeper coins so that really is not a good answer. Co-located targets may actually cost us depth if we have the setting too hot.
We can always say it just works better but we really should have a better explanation than that I would think. We don't have to understand it from an engineering point of view to use it but if we are asked a question it seems fair that we can give an explanation other than that is just how it is.
HH, Cody
 
I concentrate on very small areas at a time and deep on with fast off and gain at 10 is what I have got used to. In the last month I have been picking up my swing speed a little because my style will usually get hammered for coins finds when I'm hunting with other people. I really have only swung two different ways in the past couple of years. One is my regular sweep of about 14" and the other is the trash wiggle of only a few. Picking up a little speed and widen the sweep slightly is more like my old style to hunt, but as I have stated some days require it now. Next year I may click fast on for this little quicker swing to see if it's a little more forgiving when iron masking is a concern. Even with that said, I won't do it for my regular button in iron hunting because I like the feel of what I hear now with the settings I use. When you hover/wiggle oppose to swing I don't think the detector has to react as quickly because it is seeing the same ground and not adjusting. The whole key to looking for the targets I do is to hear any sign of a nonferrous target breaking through the noise/null and is more of a blend in the mess than an isolated signal. An interesting comparison just came to mind and believe it or not it is a Dj and dance music <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> When a Dj mixes songs there are a couple of ways he does it. The first is a "slammix", this is bringing the first song to a close and starting the next. Of course to anyone listening it is very obvious the division between the two. Now the more common and better Djs out there "beatmix" their songs. Each dance song is measured for beats per minute and you have to match them fairly close or it's impossibe to keep the beat. Now my point to this is someone who doesn't have a trained ear for dance music and beat mixing will hear the abrupt ending of a slammix and be able to tell you everytime when it was happening, but, a good beat mix would just sound like one tune. For someone with a Dj type ear they recognize the start and finish of the songs without even thinking because the slight differences really stand out in their trained ears. So what I'm trying to say is after spinning my coil over old sites for so long I know every beat of the songs no matter how subtle the changes are. <img src="/metal/html/smile.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":)">
C.C.
 
I really appreciate when companies get involved in the forums and help out hobbyist. In radio control, we have a few like that and I dutifully send business their way as much as I can.
I was really intrigued by your statement -
"(FAST and DEEP) Their actions are, to some extent, opposite. During filtering of the signals different calculations are made based on what action has been chosen."
This appears to run contrary to the common notion that DEEP is simply an audio boost and FAST is merely the reseting of the threshold and that they both work in different sections of the detector. What appears to be implied is that both functions are deeply ingrained in the processing of the 28 frequencies and its discrimination. If this is true, however counter intuitive, it is very interesting.
Thank you again.
bing
 
but first off as of now I'm going to drop any issue I have with you because they are not serious enough to really even worry about. Sometimes you drive me up the wall with some of your posts <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> but I'm sure I do the same to others around here some time. I wrote Mr. Bill a pretty hostile e-mail back to him after certain things were brought to my attention, but after writing I realized whether my points be true or not they aren't worth wasting time on as far as posts on a detecting forum. Anyway, I don't plan on going out of my way anymore to poke fun out you because I really don't think you like it much. <img src="/metal/html/tongue.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":b"> <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> However, I always say what's on my mind so there are no promises when it comes to replies.
If you read this Frank I'm not being soft, just trying to be reasonable. Cody is just a bit different than we are but I don't think we're going to get rid of him. <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> Anyway, it's all suppose to be for fun anyway.
A quick answer to what I think you were asking me is... I was only making the point that Deep and Fast are only minor adjustments and aren't near as much of a factor as something like a huge difference in the sens. setting. I don't think too many people new to the Explorer series have to worry about advanced tweaking for some time. My first year settings were very basic but probably found me just as much because they made sense and gave me confidence.
 
That does trouble one with the simple explanation of fast recover and audio boost. I think we end up reducing all this down to a basic level like water and a pump for voltage and current and end up with more problems than are solved.
I could almost see a binary selection of 8 different settings. If we have problem with ON or OFF it seemes past belief to think of 8 combinations of what happens depending on which one is selected. However, you know from what you read that there is a more to this than a simply audio boost or fast recover but we can deal with that.
Are you an engineer? You don't expect something like that to be caught and I have noticed your post before as they appear to see much deeper into the electronics and below the surface.
Anyhow, your post are very interesting and informative.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
HH, Cody
 
especially Canadian ones! <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol">
 
I agree with your post and you stated it well. It is too bad we are not able to meet in person. You would find a retired Master Sergeant that was fortunate enough to complete a few degrees in electronics and teach for a second career. I do not think that means I have the answers. My most basic goals are to learn and share with others what I have learned. Then as time and weather allows hunt for relics and coins.
Again, I very much agree that sensitivity is much more important than if Fast or Deep is on. You have made a very good point about this. As a matter of fact I think sensitivity and Audio Gain are so much more important than Fast and Deep that it is hard to compare them.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving,
HH, Cody
 
My thoughts on deep and in stereo terms..... <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D">
Sens. & Gain = Power output and volume
Deep = Bass boost
When you are talking a high quality stereo you get very good operation/sound without having to click the bass boost. That is what deep means to me and is about the most simple way I can explain it.... and you certainly don't NEED it on.
C.C.
 
Yeah CC I read it and I also to got an E- mail from MR Bill stating that Cody told him that we were attacking him so I also to told MR.Bill that I would not ( Attack cody well as he called it any way) as I did think this was a Fourm where debates and people will disagree . This whole thing started when I seen Gary Brun post about, he did not use or he was against useing Fast on I know what Fast on and Off and Deep on and off do I think just about every one that post on here that can read and read their manual knows my gripe was that new guys will start reading some of this stuff and will say well if Gary Brun doesn,t use fast on then im not either then they go out to the park down the street and it's trashy and they dont find squat I dont want that to happen you can use what ever you want to use on off who cares as long as you find stuff right. Im sure that if Gary and I went hunting over there he would do alot better than me but if he were to cme here where it,s real trashy ( where your Explorer sounds like a Willie wonka flute every swing then Im sure thats what Im used to huntng then I would do better than him .this is my last post on Fast Deep Im threw Frank Bunkley in the Dirty South
 
Right on Frank and I fully agree with you. We all have our own thoughts and methods we have developed for hunting in our own respective areas so someone telling us something doesn't work ain't right.
 
<span style="background-color:#ffff00;">This whole thing started when I seen Gary Brun post about, he did not use or he was against useing Fast on I know what Fast on and Off and Deep on and off do I think just about every one that post on here that can read and read their manual knows my gripe was that new guys will start reading some of this stuff and will say well if Gary Brun doesn,t use fast on then im not either then they go out to the park down the street and it's trashy and they dont find squat I dont want that to happen you can use what ever you want to use on off who cares as long as you find stuff right. Im sure that if Gary and I went hunting over there he would do alot better than me but if he were to cme here where it,s real trashy ( where your Explorer sounds like a Willie wonka flute every swing then Im sure thats what Im used to huntng then I would do better than him .this is my last post on Fast Deep Im threw Frank Bunkley in the Dirty South </span>
I said I did not agree with using them both on at the same time. When we start getting into the willy wonker flute stuff.... I use constant sounds <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin">
To be really honest about the whole thing... I came on and gave an opinion. This started to generate a very good thread... if we chase out some of the chaff from some postings. Also none of my postings where knocking anybody... their swinging sytle or whatever. Deep South and CC, how long have you been twin brothers??? :) You seem to need to support and back each other up all the time. <img src="/metal/html/cry.gif" border=0 width=40 height=15 alt=":cry"> <img src="/metal/html/clap.gif" border=0 width=20 height=30 alt=":clap">
When it comes down to the crunch... the whole thing for me is just a hobby and I get a lot of fun out of it. Its not worth loosing sleep over.
Everyone to their own as I said before.... but you must accept other people different opinions.
Deep South... I will be in Arizona in February.... is that any where near you??? Maybe we could go out detecting??? CC would also love to try where you live too... serious post!!!
Talks soon guys <img src="/metal/html/grin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":grin">
 
Trust me Gary, I don't need anyone, and you don't really want to play <img src="/metal/html/wink.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=";)"> Also, I don't lose sleep over any of this because it does not affect my detecting in any way, shape, or form.
I've seen your style of hunting, and believe me, you wouldn't find much where I spend most of my days searching... serious post!!! <img src="/metal/html/biggrin.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":D">
 
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