FAST - ON. :starwars: DEEP - OFF

[UtahRich]

I posted this on the E-trac forum but wanted to get the thoughts of the Explorer users as well.

I have decided to give the Fast - On, Deep - Off Recovery settings a try and see if I notice any appreciable difference in my finds in the high trash areas I have been hunting. Everyone seems to have their own preferences and it seems that most that have been hunting public parks and schools have come to the conclusion that these settings work best. Up to this point, still an E-Trac newbie, I have been using Deep - ON, FAST - OFF and feel that I have been at least somewhat successful.

I haven't had any shortage of targets mixed in with rusty nails or sitting on top or adjacent to a NULL. Yesterday, I stopped by a place I have been hunting frequently the last couple months and decided to see if I could squeeze out another coin or two. I was getting skunked for anything old and running out of time and finally found a deep target reading 9/37 9/38 and was at the very bottom of my meter. From the depths came a 1923 wheatie. So, I am finding deep stuff. The question is, are my settings causing me to miss additional targets? How do I know if I am missing them if I don't even know they are there?

Any thoughts from you other users out there are appreciated. I will let you know how I do.

Rich

 

[dewcon4414]

Ive used fast on and deep off and in reverse. I think if you have the experience using the explorer you may gain some advantage with both given the right conditions for which they were created. BUT.... you really have to know that fast on quickens your tones or chops them. In a deep on situation it allows the processor more time to annalize the target.... more time to me means in a cleaner situation you might get a better TID on a deep target, but if targets are close you might miss some as well. Ive just always preferred both them being off. Its more natural for the processor and an increased gain gave me that little extra tone to break the threshold of deep targets. Its kind of like using normal or long settings..... if you have learned your equipment long might pay off once you get used to it, but you would really need experience. I used the DFX for a good while, you could set the recovery the higher you set it the quicker it recovered. People learned quickly they could do the reverse as well..... set it very low and the machine got a longer look at those deeper targets.... but you had to use the correct setting in the right situation. Ive just liked both off because of the clearer tone and opted to adjust my coin movement in lieu of useing the those two settings. Especially in trash where coil movement is the most important.... but you want a good tone.

Dew

 

[captn_se]

After spending hours and hours hunting with these two settings (one ON, the other OFF, both ON, both OFF), I am most comfortable with both of them OFF. I did find plenty of silver with FAST ON , but eventually, I turned FAST OFF because I started noticing that on the real deep targets, or targets in areas of high ground mineralization, I would get a very, very narrow response (a little chirp) on the deeper signals. To me, it is barely recognizable from chirpy iron. With FAST OFF, deeper signals were more pronounced (a full bodied sound). I never did use FAST ON again, and never felt I was missing out. I much prefer the audio "smoothness" of FAST OFF now.

I had tried DEEP ON also, but couldn't get used to the delay in response on the deepies. My machine felt sluggish, less responsive, with that filter ON. I just couldn't hunt with the delayed response. I also found I wasn't getting any better signal enhancement on the deepies(7"+ targets), if my gain was already boosted up (a few notches just below max). I tested this countless times on a deep target with high gain settings....no difference.

But I feel that what's most important is to "believe" that the settings we use really work for us.....have full confidence in them....if we start finding deepies with a certain setting, we're most likely to use those settings on future hunts.

Also, there's no equal to time spent out in the field with your machine.....detecting technique(swing speed/method, concentration, patience, persistence, etc.) factors heavily into your success and your ability to find those deeper items.

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan

 

[Hotcz70]

There is NO right OR wrong way...only the way you have best trained your ears for.

I hunted with fast and deep both ON for a full year...and did well.

I also hunted with Fast ON deep OFF for a while and did well.

Once I switched Fast and Deep BOTH OFF though...I started finding deep walked over silver and injun's like never before.

I'm not even going to view Dew's or Dan's posts...because those two fellers' are always dead on with their responses

I just want to post my opinion and reason for hunting with both fast and deep OFF...and see how it compares to Dan and Dew's responses.

I respect the heck out of both those two fellers' so if my response mimics theirs...I apologize...but it might...because we think alike in many ways.

The key to learning the explorers is SOUND

I'm not saying this is right...or wrong. I'm just saying it has worked for me...and quite well.

I'm sure there are a million settings I could tinker with...or analyze why one should or shouldn't work...or why one is supposed to be better...or deeper...or separate better...or sound better....and on and on

My honest opinion though is that sometimes people worry too much about tinkering and settings instead of just simply hunting and learning.

I found a group of settings that worked for me and left it alone...no more changes...no more try this or try that...etc.

Instead of tinkering.. I spent all the time training my ears to listen and interperet what the machine was saying to me with those exact settings.

Each tiny change a person makes can change what your ears hear...which will in turn change how you interperet good signal from bad signal.

I was asked if I would share my settings changes made when hunting some iron infested sites while field testing the 12" Sunray coil for Western & Eastern Treasure magazine.

My answer was quite simple...absolutely ZERO. I just simply slowed way down...payed close attention to "warbly" chirps...then investigated them to see if they were iron chirps or coin chirps...then trusted my ears to interperate what the coil and machine told me.


For me...fast ON clips the good signal short...and I don't like it.

For me deep ON distorts the signal too much...and I don't like it.

I already have my gain jacked to 10...so there is no need for me to have deep ON anyway.

Just my opinion and what I prefer.

Again though...there is NO right or wrong way...only the way that each of us as individuals prefer.

 

[UtahRich]

Thanks for the reply guys.

I ran my Explorer XS with the same settings nearly the entire time I used it, close to 10 years, and when I picked up the E-Trac, set is up similarly for convenience. I think there is something to be said to getting to know how the detector will respond in a situation and that changing core settings all over the place makes if more difficult to interpret what is going on under the coil.

I have been using these same settings since it arrived a few months ago. I think I will try both FAST - OFF and DEEP - OFF for the next few months and see how things go. Along with that I am going to bump up the gain a couple spots and see how I like the sound.

I have an OLD pair of KOSS headphones that are really loud, which is good BECAUSE MY WIFE SAYS THAT SHE THINKS I AM A BIT DEAF. I don't believe that I am having trouble hearing deep targets, because I am digging deep targets, but, maybe I am skipping the really deep targets thinking they are just chatter.

Thanks for the input, it is appreciated.


Rich

 

[dewcon4414]

You must not have been married very long.... because you will notice they get hard of hearing as well. Im with Bryce, i dont tinker a lot with my setting, but there have been times i will adjust, maybe go with Ferr instead of Cond, and hes correct, just use the screen to check those targets your ears and brain made you pause for. Its about getting that feel TO DIG... not about NOT TO DIG. I think we spend too much time wishing for a machine that takes all the fun out of it. We want to cherry pick.... but we miss a lot of those WHATS ITS that make our hobby enjoyable and fun to talk about.

Dew