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FOR ACE 250 USERS (QUESTION)

LINDABONITA

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Can anyone give me advice on discrimination with the ace 250.? I keep picking up trash alluminum cans and caps. I hunt in coins mode most of the time. I heard about the stationary mode but my ace is not accurate as the guy says on the video. Please help!! Any info on discrimination could be helpful. Thank you and regards to all of you on this forum.
 
No answers to this one? I'll take a stab...

The Ace is easily overwhelmed by large targets like cans, or any target that is too close to the coil. This is only made worse by running the SENS too high.

For the record every detector shares has the same problem - it detects metal. Cans and caps are metal, ergo, they are detected. When they are shallow and/or large, they easily overcome the settings and signal through. Caps and cans are especially troublesome, too, as they have a phase response that is similar to coins.

New comers have a distinct disadvantage working against them in this regard: they believe what the detectors accompanying video tells them.
While not entirely wrong, I've found the vid to be more hype than substance.

So what to do? With cans it about size. you have to learn to work the pinpoint and the air lift method in order to get some size feedback. Cans will pinpoint over a broad area, quite unlike the sharp, small response of a coin. When you lift the coil into the air they will continue to signal as the coil is raised... thus the name air lift method. Coins invariably stop signaling quickly.

With screwcaps, it is similar; you have to learn their signal strength difference over the one cent coins, particularly the zinc cents which they closely mimic. The caps are larger than coins and so their sginal strength is discernable.

The thing to do is practice. Get some cents, dimes and quarters, as well as some caps and cans and experiment with the detector to learn how it responds to these targets.
Finally, I suggest you get out of the coin mode and start hunting in the Jewelry mode. It is better to learn what is happening, than to expect the detector to do it all for you - which it cannot.
 
It doesn't really matter what mode you use, "within reason" as most trash
items ring hot in the ring or coin range. So you are likely to pick them up in any
usable mode. Being that is the case, you have to learn to tell trash from coins,
or whatever desired items. And that is not always easy.
But some are. IE: cans.. Cans are pretty easy to discern as they are so large.
The usual trick to tell a can is to raise the coil up a few inches as see if it still
shows up. If it does, it's probably a can or other large item like foil, etc.
But a coin that is fairly deep will not show up when you raise the coil a few
inches because of it's small size.
The ID scale on the Ace 250 is audio notch. The machine is actually in all
metal mode all the time. It's always seeing everything. All the notches do is
turn the audio off for a certain notch range. This is actually good. The
advantage over this design vs older designs is no loss of depth when using
notching.
Caps and tabs can be difficult, but not impossible to tell from coins.
When caps start to rust, that can make them easier to tell apart.
The original cap might not be as conductive as a coin. But once it's
starts to rust, it actually becomes more conductive, as rust is more
conductive than the iron or steel the cap was made from.
This will cause ID "bouncing". It's often ringing low to med at times
hitting on the steel, but also bouncing up high, hitting on the rust.
If you get a bouncer, it's usually going to be trash of some kind.
Coins on the other hand hardly ever bounce around as far as ID.
They are usually stable and ring about the same every swing.
Also the sound of audio hit can be a clue. Some learn to tell tabs
by the sound they make, even if they are hitting in the usual nickel-
tab range.
But... I still usually dig them up, as some can be rings, or other stuff.
If it ends up a tab, it goes to the "trash" bag, never to be detected
again. :/ Just one less to run across in the future.
It's hard to avoid tabs if you don't want to miss nickles and rings.
So really, you are always going to dig some trash if you want to
make sure you don't miss anything good.
I dig most every target I come across unless it's obviously trash
due to bouncing ID, etc.. And even then, if you pass on it, you might
be passing on something peculiar like a Hot Wheels car, etc..
It's never a sure thing when dirt fishing.
Over time, practice digging all the various items over and over will
help you "sense" what the object is likely to be.
I don't know if any of this will really help, but there you have it.. :wacko:
 
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