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Fried my coil!

jspoon

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I did a dumb thing the other day, I went to shorten the cable on my 10" tornado and after getting it all spliced together I had a short. This happened while waiting for my sef 12x10 to arrive in the mail. My GT would only make a threshold hum wether the coil was plugged in or not attached at all, while waiting for my 12x10 I was freaking out because I was not sure if I fried my GT or the coil. OK so my 12x10 arrived and low and behold it was the coil I fried because everything works fine with the 12x10. I guess the up shot is I probably would never use the tornado after I hooked up the 12x10 anyway. Is there a way to revive the tornado? Live and learn.
Thanks all HH John
 
John thats a bummer, lets hope your just overlooking something. I shortened alot of those cables and didnt always get it right and never ruined a coil.
Even if you wouldnt use that coil again, you could have always swapped it for another one you might have used, theres such a variety of them for the Sov.
 
Are you sure you have the short fixed now, and that no wires have been swapped to the wrong pins by accident? If you look in the coil sticky thread at the top of the forum you should find various link threads throughout it that have re-wiring info with colors/correct pin outs for various coils.

I have read of Excalibur users who wired up a coil wrong and they lost the threshold, but once fixed the machine and coil were fine. On the other hand, I read elsewhere of a guy who was back engineering the transmit front end inside a Sovereign control box and he said after looking it over he'd suggest never to plug or unplug a coil while a Sovereign is on, because that circuit that drives the coil TX winding from inside the control box is a rather "fragile" design that might not stand up to power surges or a short in some respects.

Also, did you check the end of the plug and make sure the pins look good? And, use an ohm meter to check the continuity of the pins front and back in the plug as you wiggle them at the back, as I found a few bad ones that were cracked inside the plug one time, and yet they wouldn't show a problem unless I wiggled them from the back or when I was hunting. That drove me nuts for a little while until I figured out the issues with a known bad SEF 12x10 I bought cheap used. I found a wire or two at the back of the plug that had a short and figured that was the only problem, but turns out at least one or two pins also were bad inside the stinking plug due to probably somebody using way too much heat to re-solder the wires to the pins.
 
After I shortened the cable I kept messing up splicing them together and had to keep starting over, finally the cable was too short so I took an extra piece I cut out and had an electronics shop solder a new plug on the end. I then spliced that to the remainder of the coil cable and while doing so before wrapping it up I turned on the detector and wiggled the connction around to make sure it would stay and stray wire sticking out touched the other wires and made a crackling sound, ooh not good, so anyway it does not work now. Who knows?
HH thanks John
 
Probably just a wire out of place should be an easy fix,LOL it happens to all of us.Check the color code and reattach your wires.Good Luck Ron
 
Ron from Michigan said:
Probably just a wire out of place should be an easy fix,LOL it happens to all of us.Check the color code and reattach your wires.Good Luck Ron
The wires are where they should be, yellow to yellow, red to red etc. Do you know where I could send it to be looked at?
Thanks
 
Funny this thread is a current topic, because I just went out for a short 3 hour hunt with my 12x10 and had issues with it. I had traded my 15x12 for a used 12x10 somebody had that had a short in the coil cable. I told them to give me $50 along with the 12x10 for my 15x12 and I'd fix the 12x10.

Well, that coil had I think two loose wires behind the plug along with 2 or 3 bad pins that somebody over heated and cracked. Didn't have a replacement plug and Radio Shack doesn't carry the right ones, so I bought a plug up there with the same type of pins in it and knocked out the old ones and replaced them.

The fix has lasted for a few years here, but just this evening I noticed at the same site I had hunted the other day at full blast manual sensitivity, that today it was nulling and chattering on me. At first I suspected there was some new EMI in the area and so kept lowering sensitivity and switching bands to judge which might allow a higher sensitivity setting.

Neither did, and it would only get stable and not null when it was almost all the way turned down. Hmmmmm.....So right away I suspected a short in the cable and wiggled it right behind the plug. The thing went bonkers. Knew then I had a short, and it's either my soldering job failed or another pin or two went south on me.

So I unscrewed the plug and looked at the face of it to make sure all the pins where in proper shape, and then re-screwed it back on and tried to finagle the coil cable behind it to give my connections back to normal so I could salvage the hunt.

Well, sometimes it was fine and allowed full blast sensitivity, but other times I had to lower it to about 3PM to calm things down. Worst part is I was hunting in PP and gridding an area, and when I'd hit a target in PP that PP's response told me it was probably NOT iron, I'd flip to disc and get nothing but a null.

I figured I was just wrong about suspecting the target in PP was not iron, as I'm still learning it, so I didn't think nothing of it, until enough of these non-iron-like PP responses I hit still were nulling when I flipped to disc. Still wasn't completely sure, until I dug a few wheats at 6" or so that were breaking up badly like a false coin spike from iron.

:rant: Man, a wasted trip. I managed 5 or 6 wheats through all the hassles and maybe an old button (got to clean the crud off it to see), but otherwise I got skunked for 3 hours worth of effort due to the stinking coil fighting me.

So anyway, I'll soon be doing the repair and plan to do a youtube video filming the effort, complete with inspecting pins front and back with an ohm meter while wiggling them to look for cracks inside the plug on them, along with soldering stuff together, and also heat shrinking each wire and then a final large one over them all to hold the cable to the coil plug.

I think this could be useful to people who are new to soldering or fixing coil cables and plugs, as I plan to show how to do all that, and also it should be of help to SEF users who want to know which color wires go to which pins in case they get one that doesn't have a plug on it or something from somebody.

Soldering is easy with a few tricks, and heat shrinking is also cake work even without a heat gun, as you can use a hot hair drier or even a lighter to do that. Want to go over all this stuff in a video because it might be able to help some people, and these questions always seem to crop up.

You can set yourself up with a soldering iron, solder, flux, and some heat shrink tubing from Radio Shack for probably well under $40 or perhaps even under or around $20. Not very expensive to equip yourself for solder work, and for another $4 or so Harbor Tool & Freight has some great "extra hands" in a weighted rig with alligator clips on it and a large magnifying glass to hold things while soldering them together.

I'll cover all that when I do the repair and edit/post the video.

PS- If anybody ever suspects a coil doesn't perform well for them at a site for some odd reason and might be a lousy coil, don't just assume that. Had I not known what to expect from this 12x10 I might have suspected it was just a really bad product. Any time you're not getting very high sensitivity settings in what should be a low EMI environment, or say you seem to be getting a lot of nulling or falsing in certain grounds, don't just assume it's a cheap coil or that that site has a harsh ground matrix or EMI present nearby.

Start at the coil and wiggle the coil cable there, and work your way up the cable while wiggling every few inches until you reach the plug to see if things get better or worse. Chances are if you have a short it's going to be right behind the plug as that's a stress point, but second most common would be right between where the cable leaves the coil and meets the detector shaft where you've started to coil it.

Both points are high stress areas where a coil cable has no length to flex beyond those points, so any movement is like a wave crashing against the shore, so to speak. That's why these two points need to be secured, and without stress being put on the cable right where it meets the coil or the coil cable plug...
 
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