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Garrett PI more effecient!

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I have been told the new Garrett PI tranmits approx.the same power as the SD/GP series but the SD/GP use most of there power on the recieving circuitry they say the Garrett is a lot more effecient on the receiver circuitry so reducing current requirements ?
kris
 
I am already seeing a lot of BS & Hype. I doubt that detector has any more power than the other Garrett units do, certainly not as much as the SD
 
Hi Bill
You hit the nail on the head. I thought of the gold quest immediately, which as an all round machine is much better priced. Also, I think if a DD coil could be developed for the Goldquest it would make a very good gold machine. Still, I bet Garrett sell a lot more units because of their advertising power.
As a prospecting unit, I think the new SD2100 at a reduced retail is still hard to beat, considering the amount of coils and accessories you can get for it. Only time will tell.
 
There are 2 new "SD" models just being relesed by Minelab.
The SD2100v2, and the SD2200v2.
$2495. list price on the SD2200v2.
$1950. list price on the SD2100v2.
Received this information from Minelab yesterday in the mail.
Mr. Bill
 
I haven't seen any advertising BS or HYPE directly from Garrett! There is nothing on their web page. As far as frequencies go, first reports had them at 63,72 and finally 96 frequencies depending on who we heard it from over the past year. As far as borrowing a little bit from Eric's detectors isn't that patent infringement?
All this talk about how it does with hot rocks? Well on the spec sheet I have from Finders AU no such claims are made. Remember Garrett hasn't publicly stated anything yet far as I know. The Garrett Infinium LS is as yet an unproven detector. Public approval sells products! But for you to push your products at Surfscanner and the Minelab product while beating up on a relatively unknown product is just plane ignorant!
Evidently you don't want the competition and it shows.
FG
 
There always seems to be alot of hype and detector bashing with the introduction of any new detector. Some eventually proves to be correct (from either end) while some doesn't. I think it is best if everyone concerned reserves judgement at least until they have had an opportunity to try out the new machine for themselves. Otherwise, all else is just hear-say.
But the main point being missed here is that the new Garrett has the ground-tracking (ground balancing) ability that other PIs mentioned (with the exception of the SD series) do not have. None of Eric's machines mentioned are designed specifically with ground tracking or ground balancing capabilities. Even with PI technology, that is an extremely important feature in some soil conditions, and MOST soil conditions where heavy iron mineralization is encountered (most gold bearing areas). The incorporation of a good ground balancing or ground tracking circuit will almost always cause "some" decrease in depth of detection in comparison to a PI machine designed for raw depth power without such capabilities. Those reported "air tests" of +- 15 inches on a U.S. nickel coin aren't bad at all if that involves all ground effect elimination in the process.
Personally, I'll reserve judgement on the new Garrett until I "see for myself". Just might be that Garrett has decided to re-join the hobby class metal detecting arena in a serious way. Only time will tell.
Just a couple of thoughts.....
Ralph
 
Hi Ralph,
Thanks! Couldn't have said it better my self. Getting all the problems solved before production is always the key to success. Troy Galloways Shadow X-5 is a good example of this considering the delays.The Infinium will have to impress the end user before it is accepted.
FG
 
I pick up the information off of the Aust. site posted from the Aust. distributor of the Garrett.
He also posted it here in the US on one of the Garrett forums. Perhaps Garrett did not say this but their direct, and only Austy. distributor did.
I'll stand by what I said, all this hype and the only new thing I can see is the ground tracking, providing it's truly ground tracking, and not just a circuit re-set.
I do have Garretts for sale if I need them. Such short memory, I didn't see you here last summer when I tested the then new Garrett Mk II Pi detector and posted the results. I thought it did quite well. I will continue to call it the way I see it, as you like it or not.
Yes I'm going to push my products any time I can. I don't hide anything about it.I make no bones about it that I'm a dealer for a lot of detector manafactures.
If the Garrett does well, I'll speak out for it, but from what I have heard, read, and seen,it's just a improvement over other Garrett units, not over the PI market.
Like I originaly said, "time will tell"
Mr. Bill
 
G/day Bill you say you have seen field tests on US coins would you be able to post it for me or give me the site.
regards
kris
 
I've known and corresponded with Bill Crabtree for several years, and he and I have a mutual acquaintance and friend in Eric Foster. In all fairness to Bill, yes, he is a dealer.... and a very conscientious one at that. His forte is water detecting, and he sought out the best detectors available to offer to his clientel. Eric's PI machines would be hard, if not impossible, to best in the realms of salt water beach hunting. And yes, Bill is proud of the lines he carries, but also doesn't hesitate to tell you what he thinks of a machine, good, bad, or otherwise. If the Garrett turns out to be a keeper, I'm sure Bill will be one of the first to say so. If not, I'm sure he'll say so in no uncertain terms.
Believe me, Bill is a great person and will tell it like it is, even if it costs him a sale. That's just the way he is.
Regards,
Ralph
 
Hi Ralph,
I am a former co-owner of one of the largest gun leather manufacturing companies in the world. There is one leather maker in the industry that bad mouths every new struggling young company or product that comes along no matter how good the company or product line. I guess what I'm saying here is we need to give a new product an opportunity to prove its self on its own merits, without being so judgemental, we destroy any chance for its survival in the marketplace. In the real world, the end user, the consumer, will judge whether or not a product has a place in the market. In this case the Garrett Infinium LS. Lets give it a chance to prove itself!
FG
P.S. If I have offended Mr.Bill, my apologies to him.
 
If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly what Bill said. His comments were not directed at the machine, but at the hype.
 
Ralph:
I just took a look at the information given for Eric Foster's Goldquest SS unit. Here is what it says about what I construe to be ground balancing.
"In all these situations the detector automatically adjusts itself to the environment at a speed which the operator can set with a SAT control."
That certainly sounds like automatic ground balancing to me, but then I'm not a techician. Anyone care to elaborate?
Also, you are right about Bill Crabtree! One of the most open minded dealers I've met yet. Good man, honest, and calls em like he see's em. Always eager to help anyone. Class act guy in my books.
He also runs this forum, and if he wasn't a tolerent person, and fearful of competition, he could have erased Foxes posts.
BJR
 
That's why I gave him (and DetectorPro) free banners on my web site. Not that I'd be able get paying advertisers anyway. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
 
"In all these situations the detector automatically adjusts itself to the environment at a speed which the operator can set with a SAT control."
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SAT refers to "self adjusting threshold", and not true "ground balancing" as we now it. What is being described here is the machine re-tuning the audio circuit to a level of threshold audio that is chosen by the operator. SAT speed is simply the speed at which the detector re-tunes the "threshold audio level" after encountering a variation in ground signal. It is not ground balancing in the true sense of the meaning.
Ralph
 
Ralph:
Thanks for your response. As I said earlier, I am not a technician, but I am a somewhat intelligent consumer. IMHO every metel detector manufacturer has a tendency to not say exactly what they mean by certain claims. Or, they slightly embellish the specifications to their benefit. Of course, this seems to be the norm in all phases of the electronics industry.
You state that what is being described is the "machine re-tuning the audio circuit to a level of threshold audio that is chosen by the operator." Well, it certainly doesn't say that in plain language for the average consumer to understand, and it does indicate that the machine might be auto ground balanced. I'm not criticizing the Goldquest SS believe me, I own one, and like it very much. I am merely making the point that likewise some of the statements made by Garrett on their new machine might be misconstrued as well. I have no axe to grind with Garrett either.
Thanks for the definition of how the S.A.T. circuit works though, I am now enlightened. Always appreciate learning how things really work. My main reason for reading this forum. - HH BJR
 
Thanks Bill,
I Guess we are like minded on the subject.
Enjoy your day,
FG
 
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