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GMT Super Pulse

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steve herschbach

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There is a works-wide gold rush in progress using metal detectors in places where people are poorly educated at best. Demand for detectors is extreme, and the markets have a special need for simple, affordable detectors. I think White's may have a decent solution with a TDI SL variant they are calling the GMT SuperPulse. The control set have been simplified to four controls by eliminating the conductivity switch and locking the unit into ground balance mode. The unit uses regular AA batteries which simplifies things in remote areas but they better have a crate of AAs! Also interesting is the decision to use modified versions of VLF coils on the PI. I have to admit I find it odd when manufacturers make things we cannot get here at home, as I do not believe either this detector or these coils are available in the US. Still, some may find there way here, so now you know.

Info from http://gmtmetaldetector.com/products/gmt-superpulse/

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FULL-CONTROL GROUND BALANCE
FACTORY-SET PULSE DELAY Set at 10 microseconds (best for finding gold nuggets)
THRESHOLD CONTROL Adjust to hear the smaller, deeper gold
GAIN CONTROL Maximizes depth and sensitivity to gold
FREQUENCY CONTROL Hunt side-by-side with other GMT SuperPulse machines
BIG, SUPERPULSE 350 COIL GOES DEEP
TWO
 
Doesn't have anything to do with "second class", John.

The needs of many overseas beeperists are very different from those in the USA. Since these overseas markets are relatively new to us, we're still getting it figured out how their needs are different. It looks like White's is first with a machine designed specifically for those markets, but I don't expect them to be the last. Meanwhile in the USA you can already get the US version of the SL, which is better suited to USA customers than this new unit is.

I don't have any "inside dope" on the GMT Super Pulse, but (being in this industry) I do understand why White's developed it and why they are probably not going to market it in the USA.

--Dave J.
 
In the last 5 years or so, these developing overseas countries are becoming huge markets for the potential sale of many thousands of detectors by all the detector makers. Detector makers are in business to sell detectors, so any one of them that ignores these huge new markets is ignoring potentially good profits. Many of the prospectors in the developing nations are bright and capable guys, but they dont have the same education and familiarity with high tech devices as the customers in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, etc. I've seen plenty of US customers who have issues with properly adjusting things like ground balance, pulse timing delays, timing settings, etc. and in general the developing nations prospectors have an even worse time with these more complex settings. So thats why simplified versions make great marketing sense. Additionally, affordability is an even bigger issue there than it is here and simplification can result in a price cost reduction..
These places represent such large potential sales markets that its not surprising at all that any detector maker may try to produce a product that will help them sell detectors into this big potential market. This includes things like a simplified TDI (the GMT super pulse) or even a new detector (like Garrett's ATX - which appears to be a re-worked consumer version of their military landmine detector).
I wouldnt be surprised if we see even more additional products from the detector makers that are designed for the gold detector market. Its big money and they are all persuing it.

I dont think this in any way relegates US consumers to second class, we just need to realize the world is bigger than just us here in the US.
 
I think it is the other way around. These are "dumbed down" versions of better machines available in the US. I would not buy one if I could, and doubt many other people in the US would either.
 
I am sure there is an overseas market for a durable two knob ground balancing PI that has good battery life. Basically a ground balancing Impulse.
 
Steve,
If you and I and Chris can ever get together for a hunt, I'll fill you both in on those two "new" detectors. That is, the history and reasons for them being available, but only overseas. I had quite a bit of a hand in them but can't discuss it publicly here.

Digger Bob
 
Seems like there is also a market for better batteries / battery solar rechargers etc.
Anyone want to jump in, here is a need. Maybe these dumber detectors are easier on batteries?
Rich
 
Chris was in Africa recently - I think we have a pretty good idea of the why's. But be fun to catch up with you and chat sometime - I'm buying!
 
This is no big mystery. All companies doing business worldwide make different models for various markets.

I am just speculating here but usually these things boil down to marketing and company politics. Are you aware of all the complaints when the TDI SL came out? People want to see better detectors - advancements in technology. People expected a super TDI and the SL was not what they expected. Fisher got a lot of grief over the various incarnations of the new Gold Bug in the last few years. Yet another TDI version would just muddy the waters more.

Politics comes into play when influential parties get machines built to spec for their own areas with a promise of exclusivity.

There is actually nothing to say that if people expressed enough desire that these models could not be had. I would contact Jimmy Sierra of White's of California if you are seriously interested in purchasing one of these detectors. But you already can actually by getting a TDI SL, new or used, with the benefit of having controls that in my opinion make the TDI worth having.

Again, all just speculation on my part based on many years of being in business myself. I could be totally wrong also. Really a non-issue as far as I am concerned. The cryptic appearance is more a reflection of lack of interest than my thing else. Bob lives in non-disclosure land and do must be careful about what he says. I am free to speculate. No doubt there are those who wish I had not posted the info but hey, it is out there free to see on the Internet.
 
Me too. Frankly, large companies do stuff all the time that baffles me. Lots of it is just curiosity value stuff as in "who cares". Some is so downright stupid I wonder at times. I watched the old Fisher die with the sick fascination of watching a train wreck.

The coils on the Super Pulse would be interesting if so many alternatives were not already available in the US. I like the closed 8" round in particular - would be good in brushy locations.
 
i saw that as well, companies doing strange things. then fisher who had unbelievable detectors. i can tell you a little story about whites that you might know. a guy in hawaii bought up i guess at least 100 whites xlt machines from an auction. they had been used by a gov. contractor to look for spend ordinance at practice bombing sites on some islands. well i bought one and the search coil which was solid was almost worn through. the rod and box were corroded and the box was falling off the rod. everything was just hanging on. it had red dirt inside. that machine worked absolutely perfectly. after that i knew whites made some tough machines.
 
Odd its called the "GMT" Super Pulse! Doesn't GMT stand for - Gold Master Tracker? That thing has manual ground balance does it not? :blink: My guess is this. In Africa the GMT became popular, I know for sure it did 100%, as a lot of gold was really shallow and the GMT could find good gold there no probs. So if the GMT was a known gold finder there and the name was associated with gold then calling it after the GMT was sure to be a winner idea? Me thinks yes.
Hey fellow Aussie Sweepdog. The first rule about the club here is, don't talk about the club here :rofl:
 
Here's another possibility...

Transmitters are licensed by FCC in the US. Metal Detector designs have to fall within the power limitations of the FCC.

Detectors that have more power, go through batteries faster. Power output = power input... Putting the facts together leads me to think that these higher power units could not be certified under FCC rules and were designed for use outside the area regulated by FCC.

- Geowizard
 
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