Good start to my hunting "work" week.:smile:

[jim tn]

Started the week off yesterday with 2 silver Rosies, 4 wheats, a Eagle/Globe/Anchor Navy devise and a couple of small spoons, being most notable. This morning, right off I got a lock on 85 reading that showed 4" and recovered a 42 Merc. followed pretty quickly by 2 wheat cents. As the Omega and I don't get along all that well with nickels, (I dig far more trash that read as nickels) I decided to really work on trying to get a couple and was paying close attention to readings, a little bouncy or not, that had some depth. After digging 3 or 4 tab tales and tab rings, I got a decent signal that showed 5." From a depth of right at 5," I recovered a 14k gold wedding band. The signal was a little bouncy, 55-61, but enough 57/58's, to entice me to dig. Needless to say, am glad I did. I had left the 11" coil on that I used for our club hunt on Sat. GB was 59, sen. 99, 1 disc. and d3 tones. Oh, I dug several more tabs and slaw pieces, but didn't get a nickel. Maybe tomorrow. Will try and get some pictures up a little later. HH jim tn

 

[iskirkra]

Jim, that is a good start indeed, look forward to the pictures I sure like seeing those rings. HH Randy

 

[earthmansurfer]

I noticed that I can't really tell a pull tab from a coin, only in that when shallow pull tabs seem to hit harder (we don't have Nickels in Germany but MOST coins hit around 55-61 on the VDI scale).

In fairness, pull tabs are the absolute hardest to decipher. I'm not even sure if the V3i can tell a pulltab with it's analysis screen. The other thing is steel containing bottle caps. The T2 could tell them pretty good in 3b mode, but the Omega has a really hard time. I do check by running the side of the coil on targets that might be caps to check for a broken signal but I don't notice a big difference. The good thing being there are not many bottle caps encountered - That is probable it, I just don't dig enough to test it - good problem to have. Definitely the next age of Omega's needs to have a feature like the 3b feature on the T2 (or the tone roll like on the new AT Pro).

Even though I'm likely to dig all non ferrous targets that are questionable at all, I do like to have a guess at what it is I'm digging to see where my "detecting skills to decipher" lie. When I'm short on time for a hunt, then I will use those skills and cherry pick.

Any ideas guys regarding pull tabs or is this a problem with no end in sight any time soon? (You would think manufacturers by now would have some kind of aluminum analysis/ID feature, but I guess it's too difficult...)

 

[jim tn]

I do find nickels with the Omega, but in so doing I find I am digging more tabs and small can slaw pieces and still find fewer nickels then I did with the cz's and F 75/F75 LTD. It is what it is, I guess, but one thing about it, ones chances for gold increase when digging more targets in the nickel range. HH jim tn

 

[Elton]

The T2, F75 / LTD is more attuned to the lower conductive items (Correct) ???... Not saying you won't hit nickles and rings..of course you will..but you most likely do better on the other items. "OR AM I ALL WET"..on my thoughts ?????????

 

[Elton]

n/t

 

[jim tn]

Thanks El. I think you are right about the frequencies. Kind of funny about gold for me. I don't purposely hunt for it, like, dig everything in the foil through zinc cents range. I do, though, average a few gold rings each year and 8 out of 10 will id almost dead on as a nickel that I dig. No doubt I am missing some, probably plenty, but that solid nickel reading has been good for me going back to the cz's and then with the F's and now seemingly with the Omega. HH jim tn

 

[jim tn]

n/t

 

[Monte]

lower frequencies are better for depth and handling of higher mineralized ground, and for responding to silver or other higher-conductive targets.

Then we hear that the higher frequency models tend to not favor bad ground as well, but they respond decent on the lower-conductive targets, such as the US 5

 

[jim tn]

I don't track my nickels to other coin ratios on a monthly or annual bases, but on weekends when I am most prone to hunt tot lots and school yards, I've had nickel ratios with the Omega up to 25%. While the school yards do have some can slaw and the occasionally tab, nothing like a typical park or the Military housing site I frequently hunt. Monte, the Omega finds nickels fine. I am just not used to the nickel trash ratio I get with the Omega. But as I've already stated, it is what it is. But beyond that, the Omega really is a coin magnet. HH jim tn

 

[Elton]

I knew you would still get Nickles and lower items, but just thought the 6.5 to 7 khz range was optimum for Silver and copper , Clad etc.

 

[Markmac]

I have found with my Omega a nickle locks on 56 or 57 consistently no matter what direction you move the coil in.I wont say i havent found some tabs that are in that same id 56 or 57 but most pull tabs wont hold a consistent 56 or 57 they may jump in the 58 and 59 range.With my Omega if it hits 58 or 59 in any direction it has never been a nickle for me.I have found several nickles with the Omega i hunt with 4 tones at the park and when it hits on 56 or 57 and has tha mid tone i can almost know its a nickle it locks on hard at 56 or 57....Hope that helps..Markmac

 

[jim tn]

Thanks Markmac. I think what it is for me with the Omega and nickels, my F 75/LTD has a very tight nickel range and when it locks onto and reads as a nickel, far more often then not it is a nickel. Also, I much more often then not hunt older sites when nickels (and other coins) are prone to have a little to a good bit of depth. And as we know, it becomes a different ballgame when depth becomes a factor. HH jim tn

 

[Monte]

those same-o -- same-o copy-cat targets out there. My post was simply to comment on or correct generalized interpretations about what some people are lead to believe about this optimum frequency stuff. What Elton said can be close to right, but then it might not be right, either. So much depends upon the particular make and model detector used, search coil used, and other factors. I've known people to switch to a higher frequency model from what they have been using, such as a guy who went to a White's MXT and he claimed his 5

 

[Monte]

For me, when using my Omega and the stock 10" elliptical concentric coil, most often the 5

 

[jim tn]

Monte,I seldom elaborate much on military housing site, but since you have asked and it isn't like it is a secrete site, the military housing spot is my "go to" site at least 3-4 days a week. And, has been since I retired in 06. I have logged more hours on that huge track of land and surrounding fields that were also military used then I can now add up. That location has gone a long way towards contributing to my 100 + silver coin recoveries each year since I retired and I believe I will hit that figure again this year. I am 7 shy of 100 silvers for the year as of today. And, all but a few have come from that site. It has also yielded literally, pounds of wheat cents, not to mention, a bunch of clad. Needless to say, gold and silver jewelry recoveries have been good as well and I have a sandwich bag full of foreign coins and several pieces of foreign silver coins, too. And then there are the hot wheels, military buttons, devises and military type coins, which are all fun to find.Yes, Monte, I like military housing sites, too. Funny thing is, when I learned about it about in 2005, I was told by some club members that when the housing was demolished in 1985 that for the next several years it had been pounded and was pretty much "hunted out." It is extremely trash laden and ultimately, never will be hunted out. No silver coins this morning, but did get a silver item of jewelry marked sterling. I believe it may have been a pin and shows a spot on the inside where the pin was attached.

I no longer track clad, but do record their dollar value when I tumble them and take them to the bank. I, of course, keep up with silver coins and good jewelry finds...as well and any curio item.

Hope you continue to recover. As you no doubt know, a good daily hunt helps to keep one young. LOL

HH jim tn

 

[Markmac]

Thanks Monte im sure your right about diff coils giving a bit higher id reading on a nickle and im guessing maybe the types of soil or ground balancing may also have such an effect im not sure on that,whats your opinion there.I can only state what my reading are here in Illinois at the locations i hunt and i have used all three coils on the Omega but generally the std and the 5 inch the most and my nickles fall in that 56 and 57 numbers here, very consistently that or im missing some at 55 or 58 and 59 hate the thought of that lol but i like how here in my ground with the Omega the nickles hit hard on 56 and 57 with the mid tone and stays consistent in any direction the coil sweeps over the target.Maybe for those that arent finding a lot of nickles with the Omega try the 4 tone setting and listen for that mid tone sound in that 55- 59 id reading..Good luck to you all....Markmac

 

[Monte]

Thanks Monte im sure your right about diff coils giving a bit higher id reading on a nickle and im guessing maybe the types of soil or ground balancing may also have such an effect im not sure on that,whats your opinion there.

Ground conditions can have an effect, but one difference is the fact that larger coils 'see' more ground and smaller coils 'see' less ground. Then there are little design tolerance differences that can have a bearing on performance.

Actually, I see closer or tighter readings on the US 5

 

[Markmac]

Monte now that you mention it i have to agree with you about the higher conductive targets having more of a spread on readings over the lower conductive targets, i had not thought about that until i read your response and it was like a light bulb ( yeah hes right i have experienced that) thanks for always taking the time to respond and help others on here.....Markmac