Got a brand new Edge on the way - have a few Edgy questions :fisher:

[Cal_Cobra]

I've been looking for a deal on a used Edge for a while, but a kind forum member let me know of a great deal on new units, so I couldn't resist getting a brand new machine with a warranty for such a great price. It's scheduled to be delivered next Friday (slow azz ups ground from right to left coast ), but I've been reading everything here I can about the edge (some of these early posts are pretty humorous, but some great info was posted....I think Bill was going through a "phase" at the time

I've been reading about how well the Edge does in iron, but had a couple of questions on how to set it up for hunting heavy iron (bed of nails areas mainly).

The general consensus on the Edge typically seems to be to use the small coil on iron, but I've also read a number of posts that tout the 10.5" elliptical concentric coils ability to do well in small iron due to it's "wrap-around" affect and it's propensity to ignore small iron, such as iron bloodspots and such (that's been my experience on the C$, so I would tend to believe it's the same on the Edge).

For you Edge iron hunters, what's your preferred setup, and why?

I seem to recall that in the bed of nails spots, using low sensitivity, even as low as 0 or 1, works well, and doesn't loose a lot of depth, but kind of desensitizes the machine/coil to the iron and lets the coins shine through. Is this the way to go? Would it apply to either the large or small coils?

Also, I love the super accurate pinpointing and depth readout on the C$ (so easy to detune and trace a questionable target to check if it's coin sized or junk). Is the pinpointing accuracy and depth readout on the Edge the same as the C$ ?

Also how does it do on old rusty crown caps ? I have a C$ and unfortunately it seems to love them, did they modify the Edge to help eliminate them hitting as high coin signals?

TIA,
Brian

 

[Keith Southern]

I've been looking for a deal on a used Edge for a while, but a kind forum member let me know of a great deal on new units, so I couldn't resist getting a brand new machine with a warranty for such a great price. It's scheduled to be delivered next Friday (slow azz ups ground from right to left coast ), but I've been reading everything here I can about the edge (some of these early posts are pretty humorous, but some great info was posted....I think Bill was going through a "phase" at the time

I've been reading about how well the Edge does in iron, but had a couple of questions on how to set it up for hunting heavy iron (bed of nails areas mainly).

The general consensus on the Edge typically seems to be to use the small coil on iron, but I've also read a number of posts that tout the 10.5" elliptical concentric coils ability to do well in small iron due to it's "wrap-around" affect and it's propensity to ignore small iron, such as iron bloodspots and such (that's been my experience on the C$, so I would tend to believe it's the same on the Edge). I've just started to use the 10.5 coil myself and am seeing some impressive results in small iron.The small coil is great in trash and iron laced site's with all size iron and the numbers are less jumpy .

For you Edge iron hunters, what's your preferred setup, and why? I like tor run sens up till theres no falsing on iron +36 -36 jumps using the small coil and dig all positive number's . run the disc at -36 and and just listen to all the iron low hits then a higher hit is very obvious .In dense iron especially nails check some of those targets that read right below 0 like -5 -10 not to many pieces of iron read in that area could be a co-located target

I seem to recall that in the bed of nails spots, using low sensitivity, even as low as 0 or 1, works well, and doesn't loose a lot of depth, but kind of desensitizes the machine/coil to the iron and lets the coins shine through. Is this the way to go? Would it apply to either the large or small coils?turning the power down on the 8 inch seems to work better than turning it back on the 5.75 but yes theres still good depth on the edge even at half gain sort of like on a c-z the power is not equally progressive linear from 1 to 10 it starts out pretty hot then stays in a mid area that is close to full gain then the last digit or 2 jumps it back up .in other words its pretty close to full power in the middle numbers like low medium high sweet setup.

Also, I love the super accurate pinpointing and depth readout on the C$ (so easy to detune and trace a questionable target to check if it's coin sized or junk). Is the pinpointing accuracy and depth readout on the Edge the same as the C$ ?Same as coinstrike on the number readings for depth and yes its a nice pinpoint feature.

Also how does it do on old rusty crown caps ? I have a C$ and unfortunately it seems to love them, did they modify the Edge to help eliminate them hitting as high coin signals?It will hit rusty bottle caps but usually they will bounce quite a bit on the ones I have encountered. Most of my sites though are 1800's so theres not a lot of those laying around.As a relic hunter though I can tell you that a machine that likes Crown caps will dig those confederate tin back buttons.That was one of the reasons I liked the Musketeer it would dig cown caps and confederate buttons like nobodys business!

TIA,
Brian

 

[deerman]

i hunt alot in the water and find alot of my good targets in the same scoop with nails and other junk becouse most lakes around here at some point have had a log or two floated
on it,(same with the rivers) you find alot of old iron in the lakes as long as it hits pos numbers even if its jumping around I'll dig it and 9 times out of 10 its a good target, you might also try setting the sen up
about 5 then ground bal the edge then turn up the sen to just below unstable it will add a few inchs on the stock and larger coils(i don't know about the smaller one as i don't have one)
as for the crown caps the edge likes them but in my area thay are a jumpy sig. at about 16/17 on the id

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Keith and Deerman thanks for the answers, their very, very helpful.

Keith it's interesting that you're effectively saying to run the disc at -36 (running with zero discrimination). There seem to be specific settings on some of the newer Fisher/Teknetics machines (F70/75 & T2 & Omega) that have a "magic number" setting which allows you have your cake and eat it too. For example setting the disc at 6 on the F75, will knock out small iron just enough to keep the machine stable, yet with this lower disc setting you also enhance it's depth and target separation performance. Do you feel -36 is the "magic number" on the Edge, or do you think that a higher iron range disc number would disc out nails, yet allow higher conductors to get through? For instance you investigate targets that fall in the -5 to -10 range in the event their may be co-located targets, so would setting the disc at say -11 be any better then -36 (disc'ing out the larger iron) ?

Thanks again, great info to put into action.
Brian

 

[Keith Southern]

when you get the +36 to -36 iron bounce on a target because you get the high silver tone and the low iron tone without looking at the meter. As far as unmasking I dont think it really helps much in that department .the tones that I like to investigate is the low mid tone to low tone bounce thats the -5, -10 , that start out at say +7 to + 11 or so and bounce to negative numbers. I was mentioning those could be co-located targets. But the -36 disc setting just helps me on the iron falses with ease especially late evening low light hunts..I dont believe theres a setting on the Edge to boost depth other than turning up the power.Remember this is old school fisher . When you bought a fisher you knew you were getting depth as standard issue I believe that was there selling feature at fisher depth and more depth.There digital series did not disappoint .Air test are one thing but in ground depth is another and seems the fishers have always been able to punch.

hope this helps on the -36 setting

Keith