Got to try a new F19 today

[Bill_S]

Me and Kenny (KHouse) took the new F19 to a local trashy park. We brought along the Etrac so we could compare signals between the two. I like to use the Etrac to compare with because it has a super accurate id. We started with the 10" coil on the F19 and the stock coil on the Etrac. We compared many signals and the F19 was right there with the Etrac as far as accuracy. The F19 even hit better on some of the low conductors like you would expect. We did not find any real deep high conductors to compare with but I am sure that's where the Etrac would have had the advantage. We then put the 11" DD coil on the F19 and tested some more. Same results, had a super accurate target ID and was stable with no EMI problems even wide open. We then decided to do some in ground tests. We buried a nickel at 8 inches. The F19 hit this with a proper ID. We then buried it an 10 inches and it would still hit it with an ID in the low to mid 50's. I was even running a small 7 number notch in the nickel zone so that made it more awesome. We only buried one high conductor that was a copper penny at 7 inches and the F19 hit it with a proper ID only varying a few TID numbers. The unit does not seem to air test too well but the in ground performance is great. My soil is not highly mineralized so that may make a difference. The one we tested may be a bit weaker than the G2 I had but I can live with it.


I will try to put up some hunting videos and some air test videos soon.

 

[jim tn]

Good report, and thanks. Good to see a nice report on the F 19. HH jim tn

 

[Bill_S]

I knew they had the potential to be a great detector they just need to get the bugs worked out.

 

[detectingMO]

too bad they didnt give it a high tone. I was so used to chatter on an Omega that it was hard to train my ears for those weak deepies on the g2.

 

[Bill_S]

This one runs so quiet it seems pretty easy to pick out the deep ones and I wasn't even wearing any headphones. I think with them on I could do even better. But yes a high tone for the high conductors would probably be better for coin hunters.

 

[Mike Hillis]

Glad you finally got a good one in your hands, Bill.

Looking forward to hearing more.

HH
Mike

 

[Bill_S]

I'm sorry?, so you're saying just go ahead and get an Etrac?

No the Etrac was used to compare signals to the F19. The Etrac has a real accurate ID and we wanted to see how accurate the F19 was compared to that. It held its own well.



It has a backlight, and a notch feature.

somebody better be posting some real word pics/vids of the finds in field

I think Kenny is going to do some tests when he gets home from work. Don't know if he will have time to upload tonight or not. I am going to try to take some video this weekend.

Somebody please clue me in?...I'm obviously missing something here

I didn't think the post was so hard to understand. We took a Fisher F19 out to give it a good test and used an Etrac to compare signals against. The F19 done really well and hung in there with the Etrac as far as accurate ID on targets. The Etrac will probably be better on high conductors but the F19 will probably be better on low conductors and probably in thick iron. Having an accurate ID is important to me as I hunt in public parks loaded with trash and don't want to go around digging random holes for jumpy target IDs. There are certain places I can do that and will from time to time but most of the time I try to dig targets that have a high probability of being something good.

 

[jim tn]

Mud? Mud,you out there? you need. HH jim tn

 

[D&P-OR]

Bill, Kenny & Mike------I (we) want to thank you guys very much for your early reports on the F-19 (I know I'm speaking for a lot of us).-----You guys go to a lot of trouble (labor of love) and put a lot of yourselves into these reports---just wanted to say, they are MUCH appreciated!---------Del

 

[Bill_S]

Your welcome Del. I think me and Kenny will try to get out this weekend and get some video with it too.

 

[khouse]

I'm still on for Saturday. I'm really thankful we finally got some rain! I wanted to add something we didn't mention. I had dug a nickel that day easing my way down to it at around 4 inches. There it layed at the side of the hole at an angle. Bill started reducing the sens on the 19 to see where it's would stop getting a signal. I remember at 50 it was still there. Then 25, 15 and then he put the sens at 1 and it still hit the nickel.

 

[detectingMO]

Amen for rain!

 

[mudpuppy]

Ouch! Ol' Mud got shot right out of the saddle! well, I probably had it coming...but this is too important of an issue to let go of, we have all been waiting patiently for a new product for so long...

Just want to know if the F-19 has something to offer that will increase OUR finds above and beyond the Fseries rigs us hardcore Fisher swishers currently employ?...is it Faster? Lighter? Deeper? Cheaper? Waterproof?

It aint my fault the Factory did a poor marketing/info rollout..so dont be shooting at Ol Mud here, these are all honest questions and intended to inspire greatness in the Future of FTP...

(I busted the heck out of the Teeboys on their mythological 'Cazador' too) I dont even own a 'T' product..but that outrage could not be left unchallenged either! (I hate shoddy new product rollouts! No matter what the product, it does not do justice to the effort that went into the engineering, design, and mfg. hardships, and places a lot of folks in jeopardy regarding their jobs and livelyhood)

Good on you brothers who took the time to put it in field and share your results, I have followed and learned from each and every one of you! Question to ask is why are you all responsible for the F19 in field wring out?

Fisher should have had all this done with a good set of vids and a value proposition ready to go...right? They should have been ready to convince and prove to US of the F19's strengths, instead of y'all trying to convince THEM that it has some sort of magical market segment?

Y'all know I'm one of the biggest Fisher Fans on here, just not seeing what the marketing and real world application is behind this model, and why a fellow would NEED it...listen, before you delete this, I'm only asking what everybody else is thinking...Is the the Fisher Forum or Not? Or is this kind of diatribe best dealt with in PM's?

Hey look, if this rig is something they want to market to the ignorant masses...well, that ship has sailed a long time ago...if it is indeed something a 'step up' from what we all ready have, then somebody better prove it...and it should not be Kenny or Bill-S, or Del, or the rest of you hobbiests responsible for that...hunting time is short enough without laying this on them...
Mud

 

[berryman]

So Mud - sounds like you're saying that you don't believe what Bill, Kenny, Mike and Del have learned about this machine. If their results/observations aren't good enough for you whose will be?

It sounds to me like you've probably already got your mind made up about the machine and are venting about it in advance of someone coming out with some negative reviews. Why not trust in the test results that are already out there and wait on a few more reviews before you continue your diatribe against FT and what Bill, Kenny, Mike and Del have already told us about the machine?

 

[mudpuppy]

Dude! Not at all!

Dont be hammering on me unless you can tell me why this Rig is a "Must Have"...how is this rig better than a 5 or 70, or even a 2 at this point? just sayin' I aint seeing it... Although my momma did admit that she dropped me on my head a few times, on a marble floor, from the upstairs balcony, on purpose! I'm not wanting to start anything here, other than a technical debate on the strengths of this rig...I guess I better just drop it and wish you all well at this juncture... Damn dude...am I being unreasonable? Dont answer...lets just let it ride and I guess lets watch and wait together...
Mud

 

[berryman]

 

[Mike Hillis]

Mud, quit squawking about so and settle down.

I don't know what to tell you, I don't sell them. I just try to get enough information out there so interested folks can make informed decisions.

Personally, I'm excited that Bill and Kenny are excited. I like it when people get excited about their metal detectors. Even you and your F70, which I don't particular care for. (the F70, not you, Mud )

So consider toning it down a bit and let the rest of us have some fun. Give it another month and you'll be asking momma for some money to pay a bill on the 19th.

HH
Mike

 

[khouse]

The biggest thing I can say about the Gold Bug Pro, G2 and now the F19 is the target ID is a lot more stable than the 70 and 75's. Even at 100% it runs quiet. The second is the notch. Third is the Vbreak and 4th the light.

Here's how I set it up for a 2 hour hunt. OK let me set the stage. I stopped by an old farm house that over 30 years ago I dug my very first silver coin. You guessed it a Merc. Since then I have hit this place hard with every machine I ever owned. There are thousands of 22 rounds just off the front porch where I continue to this day find a coin or two. I maybe pulled 15 silver and 50 wheaties from here over the years. The last time I tried to clear out the 22 casings but just gave up. So here we go. I stop there this afternoon. I set the 19 at 0 disc and v break at 80. This way I could hear everything and if I hit a high conductor it would be a high tone. After 2 wheats and my ears over loaded I switched it up. I made a tiny 5 segment nickel notch going from 55 - 59. I had the disc still at 80 and I dropped the v break all the way down. This made my nickel notch a high tone. So now I just made a F19 trashy park pattern. I hit 2 more copper cents and then from out of mostly silence I hear another high tone. This one rock solid at 83. I dig down 5 inches and I had found a silver thimble. I have been over this spot 100's of times but this time I got it! You can say the 19 a relic machine but in my opinion it's going to be a great fun jewelry and coinshooter. I am still learning the machine. I dug like 3 larger rusty iron pieces that would squeak in the high 90's. Not a solid repeatable signal. So I dug those and they were iron. I think in a couple more hours I'll have it all down...

 

[berryman]

Kenny: When you get a chance, I'd appreciate your putting a little tutorial together on how to set up and use the notching feature on this machine. I've had mine out several times now but haven't tried to use the notching feature. It sounds like it could be very useful under certain conditions.

Is it too early yet to know how the F-19 compares to the GBP and G2 performance wise?

 

[khouse]

I sold my GBP like 3 months ago anticipating the release of the 19. I just can't remember exactly. But nothing jumps out as far as performance wise as I believe they ran about the same except for the extra features on the 19. I should have kept my GBP so I could have compared side by side. I can tell you the notch feature turns it into a pretty nice coin machine. I think Bill_S has a vid on the notch. But today I actually used that feature and did pretty good. I'll try to make a video on that feature and how to use the Vbreak with it soon.