Recently (this Summer) I got the Omega 8000. I really did not think that I would like it as much as I do. ( Monte's recommendations had alot to do with getting me interested in the unit.)I've been detecting since 1974 and had countless machines. My Omega has the Version 6 software and I'm not experiencing any problems with external electronic instability. Went out to the beach about five times ( each time for about 6 hours) with the 8" coil from my wifes' Delta 4000. I thought I'd give it a try. I dry sand hunt at the beach. I also have the new 10" DD coil and the 10" Concentric stock coil.What a surprise,with the 8" coil all of the target sounds seemed more clear and better defined. The depth was easily on par with the other two coils.....consistently. Which is a bit of a surprise. In fact, in lots of areas I'm sure it was better depthwise than the eliptical 10" coils.It knocks out the bottle caps like a champ, the other two coils struggle more.Really comfortable handling as well.... so light. And finally I find that it takes less time to ground balance and ground settings don't have to be adjusted as often.I think that the 8" coil doesn't get the credit that it deserves...........it is a really good coil........ take it out for a few trips....you will be surprised.
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Have to "rethink" the 8" coil...............
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Nice! Can you provide any input on the version 6 tone sounds and handling of power line/buried power emi? Thanks
I dont own a Omega,but i do own and use the T2 its a shame that a 8'' Concentric coil is not made for the T2 as i cannot locate one either a factory made one or a aftermarket one.The main coil that i use on the T2 at the moment is the NEL Sharpshooter which is a quality coil but its a DD coil.
Prehaps one day someone will make a Concentric coil,if only.
Prehaps one day someone will make a Concentric coil,if only.
I am going to be getting another Omega, but I am also going to limit it's use to just the two coils that worked best for me ... the round sub-5" Double-D, and the round 8" Concentric. Ivan, like you, I also poached it off a Delta I had and it made a lot of difference. All the things you stated I also observed.:
I think they erred, too, buy not using the 8" Concentric on all three of the newest-release Bounty Hunters, the Lone Star Pro, Quick Draw Pro and Land Ranger Pro. If it were up to me, all three at f their low suggested retail price, would have come standard with the 8" Concentric coil.
Monte
I worked the round 8" coil against all of the different coils I had for my Omega's, and your thoughts reflected mine.Ivan said:
It displayed all the merits of a good Concentric coil which are the types I usually prefer, and the quality of the audio response was very decent. The all-around performance made it stand out compared with the others. I liked the cleaner audio and target responses, and it handled iron trash better than the other coils. Most readers who have followed me for more than one or two posts know I prefer a good Concentric search coil, and the reasons are proven afield to me, by me, and have for decades. Yes, there are some okay DD coils, but not for all applications, and the uniform field about a decent Concentric coil is generally going to result in very good in-the-field performance.Ivan said:
I think they erred, too, buy not using the 8" Concentric on all three of the newest-release Bounty Hunters, the Lone Star Pro, Quick Draw Pro and Land Ranger Pro. If it were up to me, all three at f their low suggested retail price, would have come standard with the 8" Concentric coil.
Monte
While I like the nels sharpshooter and the elliptical coil that comes with the Omega, the 8 inch seems to perform deeper and sound clearer like you said. It is much easier to pinpoint with than the stock coil for sure. I run my omega mostly with the 8 inch coil and the nels sharpshooter on my Gamma. I like the Omega very well and run a lot with the settings on disc 1 with tones d3. I also run a lot in the AT mode with the tones on A2. My soil is very mild around here, usually in the high 50's. many of the haul in sand places will run 76 to 78. As far as sensitivity settings as high as the law will allow. My Omega is a version 4 model. Good luck with your machine.CG
It seems like for the past too many years, especially the past fourteen or so, there has been more and more talk about Double-D search coils. We were aware of them in the early to mid '70s when Compass used DD coils in their straight TR's and Garrett also had them in some TR's. We could buy a detector with a "Wide-Scan" coil [size=small](Double-D)[/size] or some other type of search coil, but most folks didn't really seem to pay much attention to the search coil design back then. If a detector looked good, the hype made it sound good, and it worked for you, that was fine.
When TR's had Discrimination added, most manufacturers went away from the DD design because they didn't work too well when it came to discrimination. They especially had more difficulty dealing with iron rejection. Add to that the growth in the hobby of Coin Hunting and many people had a bit of difficulty pinpointing a target with a Double-D coil compared to any of the more 'traditional' designs that were used.
Then the mid-to-late '80s we saw a start in the growth of more gold nugget based models and some, not all, came with or offered a Double-D search coil. They were still a little helpful for coverage with nugget-shooting detectors because they operated in the Threshold-based All Metal mode and most models didn't have a Discriminate mode, be it a traditional TR-Disc. or a newer motion-based VLF-Disc. design. Most manufacturers still made Concentric type search coils and most models still came with them.
The it was about fourteen years ago when Minelab Explorers hit the scene, all with Double-D search coils, and I think it was about that time when some manufacturers felt a need to swing their production more towards competing with those higher-dollar FBS models and we saw more and more brands produce Double-D accessory coils or make new models that came standard with DD's. Okay, fine if they want to, but I feel more makes ought to offer the detectors with a door range of Concentric search coils to choose from.
Also, we have quite a few higher-frequency modern detectors that are designed to ONLY work with DD's and many do not even have a Concentric search coil made for them. Models like the Fisher Gold Bug Pro series, Teknetics G2 and T2, Fisher's upper-end models, and now the Fisher F19's. There are more foreign-made competitors, too, who do not offer a Concentric search coil.
My old Compass Coin Hustler and 96B TR's have Double-D search coils [size=small](6" and 8" in that order)[/size], and my sub-5" round Teknetics coil is a Double-D design as well. Those are the ONLY DD's I have in my personal detector and coil inventory. Everything else is a round-shaped, Concentric type search coil. My next Teknetics Omega will come with an elliptical 5½X9 (they call it a 10"" Concentric coil, but while I DO like that coil for some more open area searches, I'll likely sell or trade it for another round 8" Concentric coil.
Reading this thread is refreshing to me because I tend to harp on Concentric coils more often, or I guess you could say I state my lack of interest in the DD coils, that it's good to read other thoughts on search coil selection. I have a back-pack detector bag that I use exclusively for my extra search coil on lower rods. It travels with me all the time and holds my 12" Concentric for the MXT All-Pro, back-up 6½" and 9" spider Concentric coils for my MXT All-Pro and MX5 [size=small](I have one each currently mounted to these two models and can switch to the other from by coil bag)[/size]. An 8" Concentric for my Bandido II µMAX on which I keep a 7" Concentric mounted. A 6½" Concentric for my Classic ID which I have a 4½" Concentric mounted up.
For many decades I have preferred smaller-than-stock search coils because they work best for me in the trashier/brushier locations I prefer to hunt. On an Omega my two coil picks are the 8" Concentric and sub-5" DD.
My 'average' soil conditions have a Ground Phase read-out from about '73' to '79' but I get into a lot of places when it runs in the '81' to '85' range, and occasionally I find a place where Ground Phase read-out is in the low-to-mid 50's.
Give me a decent working detector with a good Concentric coil mounted and I am a happy fellow. We should all make the choices that satisfy us, even if it's not somebody else's pick.
Monte
When TR's had Discrimination added, most manufacturers went away from the DD design because they didn't work too well when it came to discrimination. They especially had more difficulty dealing with iron rejection. Add to that the growth in the hobby of Coin Hunting and many people had a bit of difficulty pinpointing a target with a Double-D coil compared to any of the more 'traditional' designs that were used.
Then the mid-to-late '80s we saw a start in the growth of more gold nugget based models and some, not all, came with or offered a Double-D search coil. They were still a little helpful for coverage with nugget-shooting detectors because they operated in the Threshold-based All Metal mode and most models didn't have a Discriminate mode, be it a traditional TR-Disc. or a newer motion-based VLF-Disc. design. Most manufacturers still made Concentric type search coils and most models still came with them.
The it was about fourteen years ago when Minelab Explorers hit the scene, all with Double-D search coils, and I think it was about that time when some manufacturers felt a need to swing their production more towards competing with those higher-dollar FBS models and we saw more and more brands produce Double-D accessory coils or make new models that came standard with DD's. Okay, fine if they want to, but I feel more makes ought to offer the detectors with a door range of Concentric search coils to choose from.
Also, we have quite a few higher-frequency modern detectors that are designed to ONLY work with DD's and many do not even have a Concentric search coil made for them. Models like the Fisher Gold Bug Pro series, Teknetics G2 and T2, Fisher's upper-end models, and now the Fisher F19's. There are more foreign-made competitors, too, who do not offer a Concentric search coil.
My old Compass Coin Hustler and 96B TR's have Double-D search coils [size=small](6" and 8" in that order)[/size], and my sub-5" round Teknetics coil is a Double-D design as well. Those are the ONLY DD's I have in my personal detector and coil inventory. Everything else is a round-shaped, Concentric type search coil. My next Teknetics Omega will come with an elliptical 5½X9 (they call it a 10"" Concentric coil, but while I DO like that coil for some more open area searches, I'll likely sell or trade it for another round 8" Concentric coil.
Reading this thread is refreshing to me because I tend to harp on Concentric coils more often, or I guess you could say I state my lack of interest in the DD coils, that it's good to read other thoughts on search coil selection. I have a back-pack detector bag that I use exclusively for my extra search coil on lower rods. It travels with me all the time and holds my 12" Concentric for the MXT All-Pro, back-up 6½" and 9" spider Concentric coils for my MXT All-Pro and MX5 [size=small](I have one each currently mounted to these two models and can switch to the other from by coil bag)[/size]. An 8" Concentric for my Bandido II µMAX on which I keep a 7" Concentric mounted. A 6½" Concentric for my Classic ID which I have a 4½" Concentric mounted up.
For many decades I have preferred smaller-than-stock search coils because they work best for me in the trashier/brushier locations I prefer to hunt. On an Omega my two coil picks are the 8" Concentric and sub-5" DD.
Ivan, I am a fan of any GOOD Concentric coil. Unfortunately, Teknetics doesn't make a 5" Concentric coil for their Greek series or that would be in my arsenal and likely used the most. They don't so I prefer the smallest Concentric, the 8", and use the little 5" DD for trashier conditions, if the Omega is in-hand. More people ought to give the 8" Concentric a try on their Greek Series models. For me, the field performance has been quite satisfactory!Ivan said:
cal, I also like the elliptical Concentric stock coil with the Omega, I just happen to like the round 8" Concentric coil better, and have since mid-2012. As you noted, I get a little better depth, cleaner audio response, especially in trashier environments, and quicker target pinpointing with the 8" than the stock elliptical coil.cal said:
My 'average' soil conditions have a Ground Phase read-out from about '73' to '79' but I get into a lot of places when it runs in the '81' to '85' range, and occasionally I find a place where Ground Phase read-out is in the low-to-mid 50's.
Give me a decent working detector with a good Concentric coil mounted and I am a happy fellow. We should all make the choices that satisfy us, even if it's not somebody else's pick.
Monte
Monte I don't know why companies insist on putting the "wrong coil" on a detector as the ....standard coil. Look at Whites for example and there are others.......... why a large 9.5 to 10" coil??? How useless is that in our present day trashy park environments.....does having the incorrect coil... enhance their product's performance? I don't care what anyone says the correct coil for general use should be...... an 8" round concentric...................period. Many years ago a company called "D Tex" swore that concentric coils were deeper and performed better over a wider range of situations... they were right!!! I've used my 8" concentric over medium mineraized soil and it performed extremely well. Over the same area searched with my 10" DD eliptical.. I saw no great depth gain with the 10" DD coil.......didn't hear better audio perfromance.........trash elimination was much worse... and the coil was much heavier and gave the detector a front end heavy feel.Add it all up and it shouts......go back to the 8" round!!! So now the 10"" is resting comfortably in my garage. For wide open areas I'm wondering if the 10" Bounty Hunter Magnum coil would work.....I think it is concentric.Just an idea. Anyways I've gone on too long.........just my 10cents worth!!
O.K all this omega and gamma coil talk,can anyone say there is a distinct advantage of the omega over the gamma,as i have a gamma. Am i missing out by not upgrading to the omega?Yea i have all 3 coils for my gamma,8" concentric,10" elliptical,and the nel sharpshooter..I'm still learning the coils and the machine which does impress me as it so lite yet performs better than i would expect,its my go to machine now,cz's are heavy for a old fart,lol
p.s like the way the gamma gives a 99 on rusty iron,don't dig any that i can remember since i caught on to that,and will find a coin with iron in the hole
p.s like the way the gamma gives a 99 on rusty iron,don't dig any that i can remember since i caught on to that,and will find a coin with iron in the hole