Hi Billyjoe42 , I totally agree with you on the VA phones.My 3 years on a Navy Tin Can and 43 years as a construction welder, my hearing was pretry much toast and the VA told me so after testing. I had looked forward to the new VA aids for a long time in hopes of them helping with my detecting. They told me years ago with their first tests that there were no aids that would help me with my range of hearing loss. Now here of late there are some that will help,so I was "all ears" so to speak so lit out and got me some. Having for a long time used some high $ premium phones I soon found the VA aids to be a dissapointment and have pretty much stayed with my phones only when detecting. I feel bad about not using the aids more often because of the money I know that went into them and to not use them is a real waste. I do use them some, and they are good for certain situations(Church) but found that some times there are sound situations that are better left unheard, and the VA phones do not descriminate the good times from the bad.Makes me wonder how, though having hearing loss the VA phones can cause some every day common sounds to be absolutely ear piercing , harsh and irritating to the point of real discomfort. Needless to say that was the main reason I had to stay with my premium phones when detecting. HH Y'all !! Charlie