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Heres a question I hope some law enforcer or parent or politician reads

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mattockman

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How many of you have found live ammunition in school yards, beaches,farmland, etc.......while metaldetecting? nasties like razor bladeknives,nails,glass, etc...... Are our children safe to play in the playground, go swiming at the beach or lake, are the people plowing the fields which are moms or dads safe.....Maybe just maybe they should let us metaldetect and make it a safer place for the kids and parents. Hello Law makers wake up and stop depriving us our freedom to seek happiness and provide a cleaner america.....Stop ripping our forest up and planting that nasty black tar!........I hope this gets read by someone who can send a message to whom ever cares!
 
How come you take thousands of dollars from me, through taxes paid, to build and maintain public schools and then build 25,000 dollar playgrounds that I can't take my kids to on the weekends because they are surrounded by chain link fence and padlocks? I lived within walking distance to one of these schools and was constantly frustrated because I had to drive across town to take them to a much smaller playground.

therick


P.S. I know the answer................................................. Lawyers.
 
Actually a lot of places have banned detecting because of some of us............................IE: leaving large holes, disrespecting property, and not seeking the proper permission.
I know it frost me too.But that is the problem in some areas. I had a city public park I thought..it looked like one anyway.Upon asking found it belonged to the college..I asked, got permission.
About two weeks later I would suppose after seeing me there...Four(4) other detectorists went in and left craters, tore up a nice grassy area, and even moved some decorator stones so they could detect the ground underneath...Well guess what...I was thrown out and asked if I did the damage. I told them I saw some other people there and that ended the detecting. The college informed the PD they did not want anyone else digging in their park..........So see what I mean.
 
It was just the cap end that apparently still had gun powder in it. I was real lucky the lead bullet wasn't still there or it would have been in my spleen:stretcher:
 
I found a whole shot gun shell 12 Ga.in a plowed field, State owned and a worker was there tilling the fields, I was with Charles (UpstateNY) that day and he said not to put it in my pouch, so I showed the worker and he thanked me and put it in his truck.
 
I for one would like to catch these jokers leaving craters and disrespecting property. But its like most anything, like driving a car, some drive defensively and are curtious to other drivers and then there is the lunatic, rude and dangerous drivers....does that mean we should make a law to stop using our cars?Cause of a few bad apples? There are good kids who play nice and have fun at the parks, and then there are the bad kids who destoy the equiptment and paint on buildings, see where I am going with this. This paticular schoolyard has a fence around it, and in a few places it is destroyed , abig hole in one place and at one corner top rail bend down....the school is boarded up, the field the kids play whatever,soccor net, is worn out to the dirt, and I am destrying property, I have been told I do an excellent job digging by a private land owner who gave me permission to detect, and I have dug hundreds of targets there....he can't even tell where I have dug. So to just ban all detecting is like banning all cars from the roads...but it is way too easy to stop detecting cause they don;t do it for a hobby. That to me is pushing the "Easy Button" Why not just catch the jokers and punish them, like they do to drivers.
 
Because THEY CAN! and we let them do it. You and other parents need to go to a few open city council meetings and bring it up in discussion.
 
Its no picnic getting it out. I had a brand new 3 treble hooked lure on and caught a fish on a dock, bring it up out of the water and the fish shook it out and it embedded in my fore head.....my first thought was I hope no one is looking out the window...I must look stupid....then I tried pulling it out and relized it is not budging....finally cut it out and it was not fun, also at a pond picked up a stick to toss it out of the way and a hook in stick buried it self in my finger.....I hate fish hooks....so yeah, see Dick run home from park screeming MOMMY, MOMMY MOMMY.....and Mommy passing out after looking at what is sticking out of her son.
 
:Hi, just a few words RE: bullets etc. I have hunted a lot of sand parks and popular swimming beaches and found numerous nasties. I am a Dad of two, my little princess is 6 and my little man is 4 1/2. I have hunted a small beach near home and recovered x6 hornet rounds (high powered .22 rounds). A police vehicle came down because of loud noise from a party, I approached them and they took the UXO (unexploded ordinance). It was about 12 months after a lady was killed by a high powered .22 cal, and dumped in bushland nearby, her 12 yr old daughter was kidnapped and tied to a tree in another part of the bushland area, and managed to escape after an attemtemped rape. I only hope that the law enfocerment officials can trace the owner of the weapon. I have also foumd booby traps in the sand playgroumds, darts set to injure, needles, broken bottle necks also set to harm. I will not allow my beautiful wife or children play in them or the beach without shoes. I cannot understand why people do these terrible things. God bless, Nugget.:angry:
 
Seeing how I am a law enforcement officer, I guess I'll chime in here a bit. First of all, in my opinion, it is not usually the law enforcement officers creating the problem. Sure, we have some jerks out there, like the cop who will write you a ticket for going two miles over the speed limit, but in almost any job, you'll find that one jerk out there making the rest look bad. It's not just in law enforcement. The real problem I believe is with the legislators and city councils naively passing into law rules that don't make any sense. These legislators are listening to people who think every bottle cap is a historical artifact and that metal detector hobbyists are stealing history. We all know that is the furthest thing from the truth, but once the law is there, it is almost impossible to get it repealed and law enforcement officers have a sworn duty to enforce that law whether they agree with it or not. Personally, I can assure everyone that I have plenty of real criminals to catch, so unless someone is digging in clearly marked historical site, or Indian gravesite, or something like that, you will never get any hassle from me. Common sense goes a long way, and my time can be better spent catching that murderer, rapist, thief, or drug addict who is really doing something wrong. Besides stupid laws getting enacted, the next biggest problem I see is people trying to enforce a law that isn't there. I was told by a "natural resource officer" that I could not detect on a military post once. When I asked why not, I was told I was violating the Archeological Resource Protection Act. When I asked them how shooting for modern coins on a school playground, that was not marked as a historical site, was violating any part of the ARPA, I got no response. Unfortunately, a week later, that same person got the post commander of that military installation to sign a policy letter that said all digging had to be approved through the Natural Resource Office to "protect the underground utilities". Guess what office has no intentions of approving any digging and using underground utilities as the reason. Like they have any reason, or authority for that matter, to concern themselves with underground utilities. There are totally unreasonable people out there that can ruin it for everyone. This happened about five years ago and I have regretted not making an appointment with that commander in an effort to change his mind ever since. I too have found my share of razor blades, nails, hypodermic needles, and I even found a live .50 caliber machinegun bullet under a slide on a school playground once. So I know there is a valuable service being performed whether anyone wants to admit it or not. I just hope you don't think it is all law enforcement officers. I love this hobby and I try to educate everyone I come into contact with about the hobby. I hope this gives a reasonable law enforcement perspective to your post. jeff
 
Ouch.Bet that hurt !!!1
 
Thank you very much for replying to this, I tryed to search for the ordinences for this city,,,,,and I am not sure where to look....I never found them on the net. I did find some for other cities and never found anything about detecting anywhere. It just mentioned about vamdeling posts,fences,signs,buildings lampposts,shrubs,flowers,trees....etc....nothing about the grass.......as I was there in playground, a homeless looking guy was walking down the sidewalk yanking on the tree branches pulling off the leaves.....My guess it is for toilet paper or insulation in his clothes....now that is a clear violation according to the ord. I read....and I get kicked out and not even sure if there is even a law.....First the Officer said I can't be digging for treasure on city property.....then he said kids play ball here I can't dig up the ground cause of that.....well which is it?.....I guess I should call the superv. on duty and ask if there is a law....but I am not sure if I will get an honest answer...I rather read it for myself......In another state we asked the police dept. if there was any laws about detecting in the parks and they said no and one of the officers does it himself.....and it has been detected since he could remember......then one day a park ranger stopped and said to stop.....and It was explained to him about the phone call to police station, and the ranger used the loop hole....NO Defacing the Park .Patrol cars road by us all the time and never said anything.

Thanks again for responding and I wish you worked for this city.....:thumbup:
 
OMG....Thats terrible....well you make it a better place to go to and yes make them wear sneakers in the water and sand.....
See Its not just me finding stuff like this....If only other people relized what they walk over and the dangers involved. We find it and dispose of it properly
Thanks for the reply!!!!.......HH :detecting:
 
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