High End Detectors ? OKM ? Deepers

[smgorsch]

I've read about unusual high end combined detectors like the Deepers X5 or ultra high end OKM models but can't seem to find anyone who has actually used them and had anything useful to say. Anyone here have first hand knoweldge of these or similar detectors?

thanks
stefan

 

[burried gold]

I have never seen or heard much on these. reading the text on the web site is kind of misleading in my opinion. "can localize a coin and 12 to 14 inches" it does not say what kind of coin I can guarantee you that my mxt can "localize" a silver dolar coin at 12 to 14 inches. a dime i don't think so. I would be willing to put money on the fact that the lowest end garretts like the 250 would come close to the 12" mark on a silver dollar also.

 

[Woodchuck]

A person on another forum has one up for sale. I did a little searching on subject.First time i heard of them too.I believe a German base company..Looks interesting to say the least.First I ever heard of them,was other day when i saw the post,then again I never heard of a cointrax either, I just got one and its diffferent and making me go ooh and aah!!! especially now that I pulled a real nice necklace/chain out of ground today playing with it in ring mode.OKM looks expensive to, out of my range

 

[smgorsch]

If these are for real (not scams) one would think that they have been loaned out for reviews, but i can't seem to find any evidence for it. KellyCo site says that one can call the manufacturer's representative to schedule a demo. Doesn't seem a good way to boost sales of a $20k machine. Not sure about Deepers X5.

stefan

 

[Woodchuck]

There is a OKM sponcer banner here now check top of site , and click on it shos diffferent models

 

[UK Brian]

The Deepers X5 is not really a high end detector as such. The depth is not that good, just good for the price. For real depth/hoard hunting check out their other models.

There's a world of difference between Deepers, a company thats been in business for years and uses proven P.I. design's (similar to the German Lorenze and Pulse Star brands) and the various imaging detectors on the market.

What you have to watch out for with the discriminating P.I.'s that started life as hoardhunters is that most have discrimination based on decay rate and need a fairly large ferrous target (fist sized or above) before it can be discriminated. So a nightmare round a farmhouse or on the beach.

The X5 does offer the dropped gold method of discrimination. This has been used for years but because its not foolproof many manufacturers don't even mention that the method can be used. It relies on the fact that increasing the so called reject control causes a marked loss of depth to gold but not ferrous. If you have say an old Beachscan P.I. you mark a point on the control box where an average sized gold ring is not detected. Return "reject" to minimum for maximum depth. Locate a target. Adjust reject up to the postion you have marked where gold fails to respond then resweep the target. No reponse DIG. Good respose ignore as its likely to be rubbish.
Simple, but the flaw is that a large gold ring just under the surface has sufficient mass that it will still sound off and you will ignore it.

The Pulse Devil design works differently again and doesn't suffer any of the above problems but has still to reach the market.

 

[David]

I've read about unusual high end combined detectors like the Deepers X5 or ultra high end OKM models but can't seem to find anyone who has actually used them and had anything useful to say. Anyone here have first hand knoweldge of these or similar detectors?

thanks stefan

I would like to know this also??

The type of PI machines that have 1mX1m -- 2mX2m --or 3mX1m pvc pipe configuration coils.

Yes OKM and Deepers, and also Pulse Star II which is made in Germany. There are other brands like Lorenz, Detech(from Bulgaria), etc. and several of these types of units from Accurate Locators in Oregon & Las Vegas, USA also with their Blanket Coil.

YES why is there hardly no reports on them from users, exactly like you say?

Either first hand knowledge OR heard a reputable report. These machines are way too expensive to take a chance on to risk losing money on something that may not work well.

 

[UK Brian]

David, they almost all work well with the build quality award going to the German brands and the "bang for your bucks" to the Polish and Bulgarian models. I think there's still an American made effort (Pulse 2000) for sale that wasn't a bad price but I haven't seen it advertised in several years and it was rather basic.

Problem is they are not really that productive. Of the thousands of hoards found in the U.K. I don't think I've ever heard of the initial find being made with a hoard hunter (P.I. or two box designs). People find hoards scattered up to the surface by deep ploughing then bring in a hoard hunter in the hope of a main cache still being buried below normal detection depth.

Problem is there's not many hoards compared to coins and small items of value and many of the hoard hunters just pass silently over single items, even several items bunched together. You also spend a great deal of time digging empty paint tins, car hubcaps etc. I've a 56lb rectangular iron weight (that was the original U.K. weight for a sack of potatoes) that I recovered from a depth of seven feet from a site where an iron box of coins had been found in the 1850's. To get it out we ended up having to shutter the soil to prevent collapse.Ended up as three days effort for nothing.

Nowdays most stick with a standard detector that will pick up all items at a reasonable depth then switch to all metal and if the finds keep coming often a JCB is brought in to dig the area out and the spoil is spread and searched further.