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How's the depth on the XT 705 in BAD ground??

ryanchappell said:
There is a poster here that has turned away from VLF to a large degree, in favor of PI, mostly for relic hunting, but that may be impossible in junk infested parks. Maybe a PI like technology could be developed that would key in on coins. A GPX with a coin mode. But they would never develop a technology for such a small group of people such as ourselves, but if the thing were getting coins at 30 inches in black soil maybe it would find one here at 10 inches. That is too far for people to dig, so a company probably couldn't justify its development for without a mass of customers.

We need something PI like that can tell if it is a coin by iron content, size, and 90 degree rotation to see if it is round.

If I could afford it I probably would try a PI and dig small deep targets that come up with iron rejection on.

Feel free to speculate on depth. I am the only one that got angry that people don't respect our soil. This needs to be discussed.

Ryan, in a gray clay area in isolated bush where my XT-70 gave false signals in both modes, then my PI handled it very quietly. Yes a PI would handle your red clay better I do think. The Whites TDI Pro (PI) can crudly by tones tell between silver and iron but you lose gold. The GPX has a PI iron discrimination mode for DD coils only, but it is a very crude form of discrimination.

A very good discriminating technology for a PI machine would not be for a small group of people, without a mass of customers is wrong. It is not a small market by any means. It is very much needed around the world, especially in Europe, for prospecting, for beaches, etc.. There is a very high demand for a very good discrimination PI and there would be many 1000's in sales if someone made such a machine. It is just that the technology is not on the market yet. A fellow from Charlotte, North Carolina named Dave Emery said he has a good quality discrimination PI technology. His machines are called the Pulse Devil--Nemesis. He has delayed and delayed the release and not out as of yet.

For VLF's, I have not seen but only heard the Minelab Musketeer Advantage works good on red Georgia clay.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?34,1440805
Posted by: Reg
Date: May 04, 2011 10:51AM
"Your assumption is that manufacturers are not interested in building a discriminating PI. Well, you couldn't be more wrong. The truth is, it is not as simple as you might think and most manufactures haven't figured out a means of doing it consistently.

BTW, I mentioned this before but Eric Foster built a discriminating PI back in the 80's that worked fine on a clean beach free of ground minerals. Unfortunately, take that same detector inland and it sucked about the same way an old TR type detector did. Ground signals simply made the disc feature not useable.

Dave Emery has been working on a discriminating PI for years now. Most people who have followed that history know it as the Pulse Devil. Later versions are now called the Nemesis. Does this detector exist? Yes and several people have seen a working model. Will his design really work? Yep, it will. When will it be available? Only Dave can answer that. We have been waiting for years now for reasons I won't go into. Regardless, it will be when Dave is ready and able."



Hi Dave, If you ever invent(and maybe Patent) good discrimination (even a very basic, simple analog dial) for a Pulse Induction unit. I will almost guarantee you, you will be a millionaire and a very wealthy person in metal detector sales. Such a thing does not exist as of yet. BUT who ever puts out of the first one will have MANY 1000's of units in sales. I tell you that in honesty. Keep up the good work.

Dave Emery wrote, "There are several versions of the Pulse Devil. The first to be released is a super deep seeking detector called the Nemesis. This detector has a variable discrimination control which can be set from small nails to pulltabs. The discrimination method is being patent applied for. It has to be seen to be believed as it allows detection of small coins and jewelry near to and even beneath iron objects."
 
Incredible David! Thanks. I need to start labeling the parts of my posts that are driveling with speculation, I love being contradicted. Thanks for the links and information!
 
Unfortunately Most people believe that the Nemesis is about as real as the Greek god it is named after. Sounds like he can't get it into production, after ten years, maybe one day.
 
I have hunted for over 30 year's and anything you can think of to find can be found here in this red clay.......I mainly relic hunt but even the coins are here....it just takes time patience and research....

I know it's hard dealing with mineral and red clay but it is doable even with a vlf detector...I use Pulse detectors but in areas free of lots of iron trash like hunted out camps in red clay....they will produce .......for the most part I use the Vlf's and learn the machine's reaction to targets and keep the disc super low right on the edge of nail reject...dig anything that break's through...there will be some funky hits till the dirt is moved.....

But I promise you if you research your sites and learn to read the land and know what to look for out in the wood's you will find stuff....

I live in Paulding county and it is very mineralized with clay and hot rock's heck just drag a magnet across the ground and the rocks will attach.....I have found some of best relics..in this area....from confederate cavalry relics to Silver money ...Seated liberty dime's......large cent's ...even a spanish 2 reale.....Flat button's ...U.S. buckle's...Box Plates....carbine sling buckle and hook,,,,C.S.A. belt plate.....4,000.00 dollar Rail Lock from E.T.V.G Railroad.....Morgan dollar ,,,,,,Rare Confederate C button Ga button s.c. button's Super rare 1 piece S.C button from artillery unit...unique carved confederate cavalry shield with initial's... Rare confederate cavalry bullet's rare Lube groove bullet's from selma arsenal.....Heck its out there....the list goes on and on and thats just stuff from the last couple of year's...

I am not trying to brag just letting you know some of the best stuff is right here in N.GA.....it just takes a little harder effort to get it ....I have hunted the coastal area's and it's night and day difference form the good dirt to the bad.......but there's just as much stuff here....


Now with that being said the 705 is a very effective tool in the clay one of the deeper vlf's in the clay....not quite as deep as the Explorer but it's close....

I would like to see a pro coil on the 705 for the weight issue ....


don't feel discouraged with the terra's they will get it done it just takes some signal chasing.....and ton's of long night's of researching..


Here's a carved shield I found last month with the 705 with 5x10 dd coil that come from a 9th Texas cavalry camp I researched here in this county....the unit was called Ross' brigade named after L.S. Ross the General of the brigade...and it was way deep and sounded awful....





It says R. on one Lobe H. on the other and a C. on the bottom ....I am thinking it's Ross' Horse Cavalry??All ready been offered a lot of cash for it...But it's not going nowhere...

Keith Southern
 
Thank you. Great to hear from you. All I can say is wow! The area must be heavily mineralized, gold country runs right around there, too. I found my first two silver dimes, mercs, last Saturday in 3 inches of red clay, with the E-Trac I got in May. Coinshooting, I think if I can find an area that has silver drops on a hill, then the coins sink slower in the clay, with the top soil washed away, as apposed to the black soil layer on top, which is not mineral free itself. Also it has to be somewhere that is not obvious. We were detecting a 100 year old apartment building that somehow had no silver around it, obviously cherry picked as the guy I was hunting with found wheats from 1919 and 1917 right around the front porch, but 3 total mercury dimes were found between the sidewalk and the curb on both sides of the street.
 
:argue: :poke: :starwars:
Hmmmmm, :twodetecting: :rofl:
relax :biteme:
 
Yeah go ahead and get a Xterra and use it here in Red Clay of VA and see what happens been there did that . :rage:
 
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