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I.D. Segmenting of the Xterra-30

Ralph Bryant

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Larry (IN) did a post on the X-30 back on November 20 in which he had an illustration of the different I.D. segments and related targets, and I thought that was interesting enough to do something similar with my first tests of the same machine. So I took a good mix of already dug items running the range of ferrous trash through large silver coins, and came up with the following results.

Sensitivity settings were ran at high, medium, and low levels on several targets during the tests, but appeared to make no discernable difference in the I.D. of the specific targets checked at the various levels.

To begin with, for the sake of saving some time, these items were each detected while lying on the top of the ground in moderately mineralized soil so that the ground matrix could be used as a mineralization background rather than just going through the usual routine of "air testing" sans the effects of at least some level of mineralization. This was more for my own benefit in getting a good idea as to where the different targets would I.D. and the consistency (or lack thereof) with this particular machine. This is far from an "end-all" test, but intended more as an orientation experiment since this is the first time I had the opportunity to spend any time with the new detector.

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-4: Junk ! Plain and simple. Each and every piece of ferrous trash fell well into the low iron range and gave the tell-tale low iron tone.

4: Foil and "aluminum paper" range. This is where every piece of foil I tested I.D.d without exception, along with a few pieces of small and thin karat gold jewelry. The smallest lobster clasp shown in the pic below weighs a whopping 1/3 gram and gave a maximum range in air of about 2 inches at max. sensitivity. Still, considering the small size and 7.5 kHz frequency of the X-30, it gave a better response than I really expected and was closer to what I would have expected from a dedicated higher-frequency gold machine, good testament to the overall sensitivity of the Xterras IMO.

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8: This is where bits and pieces of pull-tabs appeared to I.D., along with a small clutchback that appears to be made of very thin brass. Later I hope to do some much more extensive testing and segmenting of a large quantity of karat gold rings in a similar manner as this test to get an idea as to size and karat ranges.

12: Without a doubt, nickel range. Every nickel I had in my test materials, even some that read higher or lower than the norm on other VDI machines, all fell within the #12 segment without exception and with a good solid lock. I expect this machine to be a real nickel magnet in our soils based on what I've seen so far. Only a single pull-tab of the many used gave a #12 lock on the X-30, and even it gave a slight "sputter" in comparison to the coins.

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16: This is where the pull-tab range(s) really begins to pick-up, with an obvious bias at #16 for newer "break-off" coke can type tabs. Bits of aluminum wire and a pop-rivit also fell into this range, as did a chrome-plated brass button-snap.

20: A couple of older and more squared tabs fell into this range, along with a lone brass key apparently due to the difference in alloy or metal quality. This was actually one of the least encountered of all I.D. ranges during the test, and possibly a good candidate for "open notch" while hunting for karat gold jewelry.

24: This is where the "tougher" types of pull-tabs tended to I.D., including the worst of the old square type that I had in my kit, including a bent over beaver tail. Several house-type keys also would I.D. with a good solid lock in this segment.

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28: I've decided to call this the "Rotten Zinc" segment, since most of the more corroded zinc cents fell solidly into the #28, along with a couple of smaller brass lock keys (one attached to a steel split-ring), a fired and deformed modern brass bullet, a brass ring and religious medal, one of the very large pop-top "cannister" type tabs, and a smashed aluminum screw cap. Screw caps are another priority that I want to do alot of comparison I.D. testing on in the near future since they are one of the real coin spoilers for us in this area.

32: Aaaaah! Now we're getting somewhere......more specifically, up and away from alot of the trash. Between #28 and #32 is where the most obvious line falls between the good and bad (gold not considered). This is where most non-corroded or only very lightly corroded zincs and a couple of Indian Head cents I.D.d with solid locks, along with a thin silver Celtic cross, a couple of tokens and zipper pulls, a couple of buttons and a few keys, as well as a large and thick mens 14K band ring. I would suspect, though I haven't confirmed yet, that many larger gold class rings will fall into this category as well. More on that later.......

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36: This tended to be the "catch-all" segment for later copper (bronze) Lincoln cents, as well as all clad and silver dimes. I air-tested approximately 100 each Roosevelt and Mercury silver dimes, and every one, without exception, gave a good solid #36 lock-on. A couple of small silver rings and a silver link bracelet also locked on well in this segment, as did a larger brass token, a piece of melted aluminum, a brass rivit, and a larger (partially) gold plated brass or copper ring.

40: Definately the "quarter catcher" segment, as each and every quarter tested, whether clad or silver, gave a good, strong, positive lock at #40 without exception. A well worn Barber half dollar, as well as a couple of thicker sterling rings, an SBA dollar coin, and an aluminum washer also locked on a solid #40 as shown.

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44: At the top of the scale, an older silver Morgan dollar, a modern Eisenhower clad dollar, and a silver-clad (40%) Kennedy half dollar locked very well, as did a couple of very large and rusty pieces of iron trash that were tested out in the soil. The iron did tend to bounce from -4 to +44 however, with a much different sound and mixed tone audio than what was experienced with the larger coins.

All in all, I got a good "feel" for the I.D. capabilities of the Xterra as a result of running the above tests, understanding of course that in-ground targets may still present different problems, challenges, and I.D. readings at times due to variations in soil conditions and target masking. But overall, in terms of I.D. capability and consistency with the X-30, I was pleased with the results I've seen so far.

As a short footnote, I will also mention that I experienced some of the same "problems" mentioned by others here on the forum in the way of the too long lower searchrod section and "coil-flop", though both were very easily corrected by simply taking 3 inches off the lower rod and adding two rubber washers at the coil yoke in place of the supplied eared washers which tend to be a bit too thin for a good tightening up of the coil bolt. As far as the locking collars of the searchrod and other aspects of the build quality of the Xterras, I really saw little to complain about. The control housing fit and finish, as well as the paint job of the searchrod, and overall materials used in its construction appear excellent, and I had no serious complaints whatsoever.

More to come........

Ralph
 
Ralph
That is great, thanks! for taking the time and effort. Since I won't get my coinshooter until January, been lurking and learning. Will probably be an XTerra 50 or an MXT. As an AZ, CA, NV nuggetshooter, I have bullets on the brain. Where will lead and brass fall in all this.

Thanks again!
Luck
Paul
 
I'm looking at the X-30 primarily as a casual coinshooting I.D. machine, and just wanted to get a preliminary feel for the different I.D. segments rather than doing an all-exaustive test at this point in time. That's the reason for mostly coins, foil, and tabs, with some other misc. junk thrown in here and there to see how it all comes out in the wash as far as our most commonly encountered targets locally. For your part of the country, I would definately recommend the 50 over the 30 for its ground balancing capability.

Ralph
 
Hi Jeff,

There is one smashed steel bottle cap in the top pic in the -4 pile that I didn't mention specifically. I tried out a few others that were picked up off the top of the ground, and they all I.D.d at -4, but this is not to say I may run into some later on that I.D. differently, especially very rusty ones that have been in the ground awhile. So far the X-30 is keeping the ferrous junk down in the iron I.D. range........"so far". ;) What I really need to do is run it a couple of weeks and dig up everything that passes under the coil, and make note of where it all comes in on the I.D. That would be the "real-world" test, as this one was just more of an "orientation" type experiment. From what I'm seeing, the Xterras are as consistent as any other I.D. machine I've tried.

Ralph
 
Ralph,

What made you choose the X-Terra 30 over the X-Terra 50? What is the price difference between the two?

Thanks,
OldeTymer
 
Most factory pre-set GB machines work fine in this area, and I really preferred the 3-tone I.D. of the X-30 and its mid to high tone breaking point for coin identification. My use of the 30 will pretty much be restricted to casual coinshooting more than any real "depth" detecting where I would pull out the big guns (Nautilus ;) ), and the noise-cancel feature was another thing I have little need for in most cases. My choice was really just a matter of convenience moreso than maximum performance, and most of what I've read up to now is that the 30 and 50 are very closely matched in that department in places where the soil conditions allow.

Ralph
 
Have you had time to check the separation of good vs. bad targets? I have never used any TID detector that will separate good from bad in the way a X5/X3 or some Tesoro models will. Thanks again for your input.
Pap
 
Hi Pap,

From what I've seen so far, the Xterra will give a mixed reading or "averaging", juming between VDI segments if they are of different enough conductivity, even if very close together. When closely co-located ferrous is added to the mix, a slower coil sweep speed is needed to help pick out any mix in the tones or I.D. The relative target size also plays an obvious role in separation. Overall, the Xterras seems to be much better than the CZs in this regard, but it doesn't approach the capabilities of the X5 or Tesoros. Those machines are hard to beat in the separation category IMO. If they could just build a VDI machine with the response speed and target separation of the Tesoros and Shadows, and retain the I.D. consistency and features of the Xterra, that would be one HOT machine to contend with. Still, the Xterras are proving to be very good little machines.

Ralph
 
and I totally agree with you. I suppose, at least at present, no has found the answer to the problem. That's why I almost always seem to have one of the non-metered units in my hand. These new Xterra sound promising but...
Pap
 
Now I need a good thaw to get back out there and dig some more.
But it looks like April before that will come here. I may be forced to go south for a week.:cool: during this winter.
God bless and Merry Christmas!
MM
 
Now that's some test results...good info...somebody needs to send you the other two new detectors for some comparison testing results. ;) Alot of these new detectors are under a foot of snow right now...If I had one, I'd send it to you...of course I'm waiting for more test results and spring to see which one I want to try. :shrug: I keep hearing the rumor that one of these new detectors can ID silver from clad...and that one, with pull tabs notched out, like a magnet, will suck those gold rings right out of the ground.:yikes: A few other rumors going around also, but I've yet to comfirm anything.:shrug: :smoke:

Anyway, after :look: alot of this :argue: going on over the new ones, it's nice to see some good plain test results w/pics and everything. :beers: Thanks...I'd like to see more of this on all of them. :thumbup:
 
Great post Ralph. Generally speaking, my TID's are the same as yours. But, be careful of that "rotten zinc' category, as a large number of my IH cents came up as 28. (as well as a large men's 10K class ring) I had a few V nickels come in at 8 and most of them at 12. All of my Shield nickels came in at 12. Although most of my silver dimes come in at 36, as yours did, I have a few mercurys and one seated liberty that come in at 32. I suppose the difference in our findings could be in the different ground matrix under the coin. In any regard, like I always say....you never know for sure until you dig it. HH Randy
 
Did the "Silver Nickels" made between the war years of 1942 to 1945 also read out in the correct nickel group? How about "V" and "Shield" nickels that have been dug and have a heavy patina?
 
Most of those, at least "on top" of the ground, tended to lock at 28. I think I mentioned that somewhere in my post. Your mileage may vary.

Ralph
 
I dug a 1943 nickel a couple weeks back that came in a solid 12. It surprised me that it was a silver nickel as I figured they would read higher. As well, the Shield nickel came in at 12, as did one of the V nickels. However, another V nickel registered an 8. All of the (non-wartime) nickels I dig around here are in bad shape. The Shields and V's are corroded beyond date recognition many times. The Buffalo nickels don't corrode as badly, but turn real rusty orange in color. HH Randy
 
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