...............isn't on the radar!!!!!!!!! My buddy feels the need to try a new Target ID unit.............I asked which one was he looking at? There's the new Coin Master, a replacement for the M6 coming in spring,Fisher, Teknetics, Garrett, Minelab etc etc. When I asked them if he's looked at the Tesoro offering both he and his brother broke out laughing. They said Tesoro is not serious about targe id ........... I defintely concurr, they don't care.And their "recent" offerings are almost a decade old. Besides I can buy them dirt cheap on Ebay or Craigslist. Let's face it they make a good "beep and dig" but that's about it. As Monte says they need a new unit with an effective ground balance. Maybe in 2013??? I somehow I doubt it!
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If your in the market for a target id detector, Tesoro.............
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REVIER
Well-known member
Beep and dig is far from what Tesoros actually are and can do.
They have a language all their own and you can tell much from that beep if you bother to learn that language.
People that laugh about how they work make me laugh.
Just using my Compadre I have found more clad, silver and gold this year than most others I hunt with, and I am talking about some with high end machines like T2's, F75s and the like.
I also have units with screens and they have their uses, but for me, it is still all about the tones I hear.
I believe the processes that happen between your ears and your brain can be just about as good as any that happens on an electronic board.
To each his own.
They have a language all their own and you can tell much from that beep if you bother to learn that language.
People that laugh about how they work make me laugh.
Just using my Compadre I have found more clad, silver and gold this year than most others I hunt with, and I am talking about some with high end machines like T2's, F75s and the like.
I also have units with screens and they have their uses, but for me, it is still all about the tones I hear.
I believe the processes that happen between your ears and your brain can be just about as good as any that happens on an electronic board.
To each his own.
maybe your buddy can get himself one of those metal detecting video games that he can play in the house on his computer, seeings how he likes screen displays so much.
.you should have known your post here would catch some hell, this should get pretty funny today!...Get him Guys!
Mud
.you should have known your post here would catch some hell, this should get pretty funny today!...Get him Guys!Mud
LilloEsquilo
New member
What's "wrong" with the ground balance on the units that have it?
As far as target id goes, there isn't a unit I've tried that is accurate when the target is deep, or the target is in the hole with other items nearby. If it's not deep and it's the only thing in that section of ground, they are usually pretty good. That's not typical except at tot lots and there I can see target id being of some use. If you're out hunting in the iron fields for silver, it's of less value.
Some of your points seem legitimate though. They have one id unit, the Cortes, which I have, but yeah it's based on 10 year old technology true enough. Doesn't mean that technology doesn't work. Some people rush to buy a new detector and find themselves disappointed and don't give it enough time to learn the machine and you see it being sold on here 2 weeks later.
One thing I do think is a mistake is to rely too much on the id to determine whether to dig.
I like Tesoro as you can swing it all day long (try that with an Etrac - I have and it does wear a normal person not built like Ahnold out) and the lifetime warranty. No one else currently offers that. Tesoro makes good machines. But it would be nice if they came out with a machine that combined the best features into one unit too, I will flat out agree. I'd strongly consider buying that unit.
As far as target id goes, there isn't a unit I've tried that is accurate when the target is deep, or the target is in the hole with other items nearby. If it's not deep and it's the only thing in that section of ground, they are usually pretty good. That's not typical except at tot lots and there I can see target id being of some use. If you're out hunting in the iron fields for silver, it's of less value.
Some of your points seem legitimate though. They have one id unit, the Cortes, which I have, but yeah it's based on 10 year old technology true enough. Doesn't mean that technology doesn't work. Some people rush to buy a new detector and find themselves disappointed and don't give it enough time to learn the machine and you see it being sold on here 2 weeks later.
One thing I do think is a mistake is to rely too much on the id to determine whether to dig.
I like Tesoro as you can swing it all day long (try that with an Etrac - I have and it does wear a normal person not built like Ahnold out) and the lifetime warranty. No one else currently offers that. Tesoro makes good machines. But it would be nice if they came out with a machine that combined the best features into one unit too, I will flat out agree. I'd strongly consider buying that unit.
If they laugh over Tesoro's offerings they must go hysterical with the other brands that have all the crap (I mean bells & whistles) that don't work as good as aTesoro. In the end what we want is a detector that you can waive the coil over the ground and get a signal on a target and no matter how ya slice it Tesoro does that exceptionally well.Ivan said:
Hate to burst your bubble but you and your friends are so wrong and to laugh at a product before you have all the facts is even more wrong. I have owned a DeLeon since it first came out and in the almost 10 years that I have used it I have found over 100 rings half of which were gold or silver I do not count stainless or junk rings in my ring count. I have also found hundreds of silver coins and a couple of thousand dollars in clad ( all on dry land). Now if that is a bad TID machine I will take ten of them over any of the machines you mentioned on top of all that mine has a lifetime warranty unlike those you and your wise friends spoke so highly of that only warranty theirs for 2 or 3 years. I worked at a place that sold some high end machines that I could have purchased for a little above cost but I could never convince myself that they would be as good as my DeLeon. So go ahead and buy one of those machines with more bells and whistles at twice the price and when the warranty runs out you have to rebuy your machine and it has so much great information you need a guide and a flashlight to figure which end is up I will keep digging up everything you missed because you were fine tuning your over priced under guaranteed over weight machine. And in spirit of the holidays if I need more bells and whistles on a detector I would rather hang Christmas lights on on my DeLeon than use anything else! If you want proof of my claims click on my name and see many of my finds over the past few years and have your friends laugh at that. Thanks Tesoro for building a machine that people laugh at it just gives use serious Tesoro users more to find.
Dirtdigger33
Active member
I was thinking the other day about the qoute I wanted to add to my signature on this forum and I think I have found it. When I think of this thread it makes me laugh at all those poor folks who may show true ignorance when knocking Tesoro. Obviously they do not realize the hobby started with beep and dig detectors and if something isn't broke why fix it. If my Tesoro ever does break I know I have the best warranty in the business and that I will be talking to a real person when I call into Tesoro and not leave a message after the beep and we will get right back to you. This thread made my day. My new qoute using the wods of Howard kossell "if ignorance is bliss, then you my friend are wallowing in ecstasy." I say to those naysayers and the uninformed keep trusting your fancy TID machines and let those of us who learn the language of the Tesoro machines, digging all targets clean up the rings and other good things you leave behind because your TID showed it as a zinc, pull tab or trash. And for the record Tesoro has 2 very good TID units that are effective 10 year old technology. The Deleon and Cortes. When i do get another TiID machine, if iI do it will be a Deleon or Cortes most likely. Can't wait to see what everyone has to say about this entertaining thread. HH
MichiganJason
Member
One thing I don't like about Tesoro is charging over $700 for a Cortes that you can't even ground balance in disc mode. Not every area has sweet, neutral, ground and a GB is needed. I bought a Cibola after reading how deep it was, well in my area it got about 5 inches max on a coin size target. I think Tesoro has the best warranty in the business but I do think they should update their technology somewhat. I mean seriously, what other company's flagship detector has a fixed ground balance? I was recently looking at the Deleon and love the way it looks, low weight, great warranty but with a fixed gb in my area it will work about as good as a low end Bounty Hunter.
BarberBill
New member
Well, I have the DeLeon and the Cortes and several other brand TID detectors and the Tesoros do as well as the others, in my soil. I do think an upgrade on the ground balance issue would be a good thing. As to the beep and dig models, I'd suggest that anyone that is going to have only one machine be sure to purchase one with manual ground balance. Presets work good where I am, but often do not in other, more mineralized areas. As to the whole discussion of beep and dig versus displays, in the end it's still a case of response to a piece of metal and up to the operator to make of that what he will.
I know experienced operators that know their detector can usually tell by subtle shifts in the sound and careful thumbing of the discrimination what the target is likely to be nearly every time. If you like a display, go for it, but don't be surpised if an accomplished beep and digger does as well or better hunting along side.
BB
I know experienced operators that know their detector can usually tell by subtle shifts in the sound and careful thumbing of the discrimination what the target is likely to be nearly every time. If you like a display, go for it, but don't be surpised if an accomplished beep and digger does as well or better hunting along side.
BB
Sven
Well-known member
Funny thing about Tesoros, models rarely change much and rarely come out with something new.
Why? They sell on their own merits year in, year out and they find stuff.
They don't have to do a marketing blitz gimmicks and come out with new models every year to sell detectors and stay in business.
I have found more coins with my Eldo umax next to a nail than I have with any other machine. I may dig more trash with an Beep and dig,
but the coin count is about the same as if using an ID machine when the day is over. There's so many targets ID machines just lie about.
Makes you wonder how much was really good that you left in the ground. There are many spots I have hunted with an ID machine and thought they were
cleaned out. Wrong, go back over with a Tesoro and you'll see. I have nothing against ID machines and really like the two Cortes units I had in the past
for coinshooting.
Right now think I have the best of both worlds for a beep and dig, ID machine, an older Toltec II. Gives me all the benefits of a beep and dig (actually better than the Eldo I had,
no longer missing it) and an ID machine. The analog meter gives just enough info on the shallow targets to indicate what it might be. I have figured if it bounces between two points
during a left sweep then a right sweep, it's either a $1 or $2 coin. You can't get that with a LCD screen. More than happy with the all metal mode depth as well.
Tesoros are like Star Trek, how about a convention of owners and collections every 3 years..................
Why? They sell on their own merits year in, year out and they find stuff.
They don't have to do a marketing blitz gimmicks and come out with new models every year to sell detectors and stay in business.
I have found more coins with my Eldo umax next to a nail than I have with any other machine. I may dig more trash with an Beep and dig,
but the coin count is about the same as if using an ID machine when the day is over. There's so many targets ID machines just lie about.
Makes you wonder how much was really good that you left in the ground. There are many spots I have hunted with an ID machine and thought they were
cleaned out. Wrong, go back over with a Tesoro and you'll see. I have nothing against ID machines and really like the two Cortes units I had in the past
for coinshooting.
Right now think I have the best of both worlds for a beep and dig, ID machine, an older Toltec II. Gives me all the benefits of a beep and dig (actually better than the Eldo I had,
no longer missing it) and an ID machine. The analog meter gives just enough info on the shallow targets to indicate what it might be. I have figured if it bounces between two points
during a left sweep then a right sweep, it's either a $1 or $2 coin. You can't get that with a LCD screen. More than happy with the all metal mode depth as well.
Tesoros are like Star Trek, how about a convention of owners and collections every 3 years..................
MichiganJason
Member
Not to bash Tesoro as that certainly isn't my aim but I like to look at actualy finds produced with a detector. You can look up videos of people finding deep coins with many machines...I've never seen a video of a Tesoro getting a deep coin. Look in detecting magazines and on forums and you never see any of the good,deep coin finds coming by way of a Tesoro. Look at T-Net...have you ever seen a banner find come from a Tesoro? That being said, I like Tesoro's but I think they are more geared to the casual detectorist who is content with finding clad coins.
Sven
Well-known member
May not be the deepest machines I have ever used, I don't think anyone has ever claimed them to be depth demons in disc mode.
As a general all purpose detector, they get the job done. They go plenty deep for most people, depth is not always important. Very little gets missed
by anyone using a Tesoro to its full potential abilities. It all depends what your looking for as well. I would rather find silver, gold rings and jewelry
than a handful of clad or a few silver coins. I will surely take a handful of clad valued more than 2 silver coins. Some folks love looking for gold nuggets where
depth means nothing if you can't punch thru the black sands.
There are plenty of other forums out there outside the US where Tesoros are finding deep relics and coins.
All in all we have Tesoro machines for the most part are sold within means of most people. They may not be $700-1500 machines, so we are not expecting the depth or performance that those expensive rigs get. Performance per dollar value, you still can't beat the Tesoro.
If I was a mostly relic hunter or hunt iron infested sites, would have to look seriously at some of those machines made overseas (Europe) over the US based models. Then I would also opt for the best I could afford for the job. Most of the better units over there are beep and dig models as well. Had my eye on some for a long time, would have to sell 3 of my detectors just to be able to get one.
Just can't part with a Tesoro, just yet...LOL
By the way, you need to try a Tesoro or two. You might just like them........................happy hunting
As a general all purpose detector, they get the job done. They go plenty deep for most people, depth is not always important. Very little gets missed
by anyone using a Tesoro to its full potential abilities. It all depends what your looking for as well. I would rather find silver, gold rings and jewelry
than a handful of clad or a few silver coins. I will surely take a handful of clad valued more than 2 silver coins. Some folks love looking for gold nuggets where
depth means nothing if you can't punch thru the black sands.
There are plenty of other forums out there outside the US where Tesoros are finding deep relics and coins.
All in all we have Tesoro machines for the most part are sold within means of most people. They may not be $700-1500 machines, so we are not expecting the depth or performance that those expensive rigs get. Performance per dollar value, you still can't beat the Tesoro.
If I was a mostly relic hunter or hunt iron infested sites, would have to look seriously at some of those machines made overseas (Europe) over the US based models. Then I would also opt for the best I could afford for the job. Most of the better units over there are beep and dig models as well. Had my eye on some for a long time, would have to sell 3 of my detectors just to be able to get one.
Just can't part with a Tesoro, just yet...LOL
By the way, you need to try a Tesoro or two. You might just like them........................happy hunting
I think me finding a Barber Half at a measured 11" and add to that it was almost standing on edge a deep coin find.
You are just here trolling now looking for an argument. Wont be looking at this thread again as you really dont know what you're talking about.
Tell your friend to get a tracker 4. Enjoy the threads there.
You are just here trolling now looking for an argument. Wont be looking at this thread again as you really dont know what you're talking about.
Tell your friend to get a tracker 4. Enjoy the threads there.
MichiganJason
Member
I really want to like Tesoro, I always go for the underdog. I think of them kind of like a "mom and pop" store which I will always support. I owned a Cibola for one detecting season and never found one silver coin with it. It was comfortable to swing, had great pinpoint, and ran on one 9volt....all great features. I just don't understand why they don't make a machine with multi tones and a manual gb. Seems to me that most customers would purchase a Tesoro like that. All in all though I guess it just comes down to what you like to find while detecting, I guess if someone was looking for an "old coin" detector they would have to look elsewhere.
Guess some people don't know a good machine if they trip over it DeLeon finds all with stock coil until this year I used cleansweep also I dont know how many pitures will post but heres some of the meger finds with one of Tesoros TID machines<img src="http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq154/phinbolt/P5160022.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket">
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Sven
Well-known member
I had 3 Cibolas wasn't too impressed with the depth at all when living in the Atlanta, Ga area. Without manual GB max I got was few inches in the nasty red clay soil.
The first one got rid of fast.
Cherry picked the best one of two a few years later and added external GB control, put on a small 5.75" coil and it was a coin getter and found really tiny stuff. See pictures. And with the spoked 8x9 did much better than the non mod Cibs. I was always curious how it would do up north in nice soils. If I recall sold it a bought a Tejon.
Just thinking if Tesoro put all the good features of all their units into a unit with the depth of the Tejon, they would have an instant winner. You'll never see it happen, they might lose sales of all the other models. But, if the profit you made on one super Tesoro sold is the same or more than 2 lessor units, why not develop a super Tesoro. Maybe they just need to hire an engineer that can get it done with what they currently have. This is just an ongoing discussion that pops up every few months. Too much talk, no results, just hopes and dreams. Oh well......
The first one got rid of fast.
Cherry picked the best one of two a few years later and added external GB control, put on a small 5.75" coil and it was a coin getter and found really tiny stuff. See pictures. And with the spoked 8x9 did much better than the non mod Cibs. I was always curious how it would do up north in nice soils. If I recall sold it a bought a Tejon.
Just thinking if Tesoro put all the good features of all their units into a unit with the depth of the Tejon, they would have an instant winner. You'll never see it happen, they might lose sales of all the other models. But, if the profit you made on one super Tesoro sold is the same or more than 2 lessor units, why not develop a super Tesoro. Maybe they just need to hire an engineer that can get it done with what they currently have. This is just an ongoing discussion that pops up every few months. Too much talk, no results, just hopes and dreams. Oh well......
If I had an ID machine more powerful than the Golden, Cortez, or Deleon, I would have to turn the sensitivity DOWN because of the iron and trash in my area. I proved it with the CZ-5-a great machine. Strangely, the Compadre is the most amazing,to me, of all the Tesoros.
I had a T-2 or a while.. The Vaquero seemed to give as much depth.I didn't enjoy being hunched over looking at the numbers...I swing the Vaquero with a C/S coil on it.. In spite of all the arguments about TID, vs beep and dig, only one statement holds true....There ain't no substitute for square feet covered in a hunt...An eight year old grand daughter will be using a Compadre this Summer, and possibly a Silver in an Otter box...I expect that when she goes back, it will be with a collection that any one of you would be happy to claim....