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Infinium LS - re Ausie Distributor

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I have just finished reading all the postings about the new Garrett Infinium LS pulse gold detector. It's amazing some of the comments being made, when these people haven't even seen the unit. I would like comment on some of these postings.
To start with, I have been involved for approximately 3 years, working in conjuction with Garrett, making sure that this unit would be a well designed and operational unit. I am also a technician by trade, so I do know what I am talking about.
First of all, some people are saying that is a revamped Sea Hunter Mk11 with tracking added, and also that it isn't real ground tracking.
Yes, the unit has been designed to fit into the Sea Hunter Mk 11 case. This is because we wanted it to be fully waterproof, and whats better than using an existing waterproof casing. This cuts downon costs. The electronics is entirely different, with a complete new circuit board designed for the Infinium LS gold detector.
The power consumption has been greatly reduced, without affecting the depth capabilities. The SD/GP's aren't using a lot of power in the transmit circuitry. Most of their power is being used by the receive and processing circuitry. The infinium is using an advanced pulse circuitry and has been designed very efficintly, hence the much lower current requirements.
The ground tracking is a genuine, true ground tracking circuitry. It not just a faster threshold tuning circuitry. It will track the changes in the ground mineralisation, and adjust for these conditions. It has a slow track, fast track and fixed ground track.
The discrimination is also different. It has two types of discrimination, the generally accepted pulse discrimination found on most PI units, but also a new dual tone discrimination. The discrimination works to the depth of the detected target.
The depth will astound people, for the amount of current being drawn. It will easily match the depth of the SD/GP units. The depth we are talking about, is in the highly mineralised ground here in Australia.
A member of one of the detector clubs here in South Australia, and a friend of his, have had one of the Infinium LS units out to field test it today. I have since talked to him on the telephone, and he said he was extremely surprised at the depth he was getting with the unit. He also stated that it was easily getting the depth of the SD/GP units. This is an independant test by two people, who have been prospecting for quite awhile.
The unveilling & demonstration of the Infinium at the South Australian Detector Championships went extremly well. It surprised quite a few people of what its capabilities are.
It shouldn't be to long before it is released.
I would also like to point out, that I am the Australian Importer/Distributor for Garrett Electronics, and I have a responsibilty to them to report the facts correctly as possible. They know what I have been posting on the web, and its with their approval.
I personally believe that this unit will be a real winner, especially as it is a true All Terrain unit.
That's it for now.
Phil
 
Hi Phil,
I doubt that you recall but when I first heard about a new gold machine from Garrett I E-mailed them to see if I could shake some infor loose from them about it. They referred me to you and I E-mailed you but somehow or other never got a reply. I assume that it was still a bit early and you couldn't say too much at the time. No biggee.
I knew deep down that Garrett was long overdue for an updated gold machine to replace the Gold Stinger so had every confidence that it was going to be a keeper this time. Now that the cat is out of the bag, to use Charlie's phrase, it is now just a waiting game. I placed my order over a week ago and can't wait to get my anxious little hands on one and give it a workout up at Rattlesnake Canyon where I've been doing well again this spring. Rattlesnake is our clubs summer range so to speak when the desert gets too hot to work. Strangely though, we've been having unseasonably cool weather here for this time of year. It's usually getting into the 100's by now but all this week it's only been in the 80's. Practically a cold spell for us.
What put the icing on the cake for me was finding out that you had convinced Garrett to put the new unit into a waterproof case. A stroke of genius on both your parts, you for thinking of it and Garrett's for having the smarts to listen to a pro and go for it. I have a feeling that a lot of manufacturers are going to be looking to their laurals when this detector comes out.
Now when the hell am I going to get mine? This waiting is killing me!!!! Take care, RD
 
Hi Phil,
Welcome to the PI forum. I hope you come back and keep us informed on the new unit.
I was one of the posters making comments about the "Hype" that came about on the detector, not about the detector it
 
Hi Phil,
Many thanks for the information. I'm sure that what you have posted will answer a lot of questions and reduce the speculation that is going around. Much of the problem is due to the fact that others have made exaggerated claims in the past, particularly with regard to nugget detectors, and people are just a little bit wary. A few facts, particularly from someone who has been involved in the design and testing, is a great help and I wish the unit every success.
Just one question - does the 96 operating frequencies refer to the ability to shift the TX rate in 96 different steps to minimise interference?
Eric.
 
Hi Bill,
The unit also tracks well with Mono coils.
I agree, ID discrimination is not new, but I believe the way they are using it, is.
Catch up with you later.
Regards,
Phil
 
You mentioned two tone discrimination that is effective to the maximum depth of the machine. Will this discrimination circuit give one tone for ferrous targets and a different tone for non-ferrous targets? Seems to me the biggest problem with PI's has always been thier inablility to reject or even ID Iron so a PI that was capable of producing one tone for ferrous and another for non-ferrous targets and have that circuit work to the maximum detection depth of the detector would be a major step forward in PI's and to have put it into a waterproof housing is just the icing on the cake!!!! I have always wanted to be able to use a PI but the beaches that I hunt are so loaded with Iron that the ability to either reject or at least identify iron is a must!!!
Thanks in advance!!!!!
HH
Beachcomber
 
Hi Phil,
Thank you for providing all the usefull technical information to the uninformed of us who will be the end users of the new kid on the block,the Infinium LS. Hope to see more of your posts over at Steves site.
Respectfully,
FG
 
The dual tone discrimination works a bit different to what you might expect it to. With VLF detectors, Steel/Iron is low conductivity, gold is higher, and silver, copper, brass is higher conductivity again.
With pulse induction, steel/iron is high conductivity, which is why it is basically impossible to discriminate out.
With the Infinium, low conductivity material, which is generally gold, nickle, and similar material in this catagory, will give a high tone first, then a low tone. Steel, which is high conductivity, and other high conductivity material, will give a low tone first, and then a high tone. Using this feature in conjunction with the reverse discrimination, should help with identifying steel items a lot better than any other pulse detector on the market.
Hopefully this has explained it OK.
Phil
 
Hello Phil,
Will the size of the target or trash (tin can) cause a high/low signal? Or the size and depth of the gold (5 oz nugget shallow) cause a low/high signal?
The sd2100 makes the same kind of signals, high/lows on some targets and a low/highs on others, but it CAN'T discriminate accurately!
If the Infinium can do this accurately every time Mr Garrett is my hero!!! Congrats to you and Garrett!!! Thanks!
 
Hey Russell,
It's the same with my 2200. Low/high for any iron, high/low for any other type of metal. It is consistant in that every low/high I've ever dug (and, masochist that I am, I dig them anyway)it's always been a nail or some other bit of ferris material. When you get down to boot tack sized iron targets though, all bets are off. These smaller bits and gold sound identical. Hope the Infinium is a little more forthcoming target information-wise. Regards, RD
 
Hello RD,
I have a 25dwt nugget in my collection that made a low/high signal at 15" I wasn't going to dig it but we had found a lot of others nuggets in the same wash and no trash so I dug it! The sound changed from a low/high to a high/low when I was about halfway to the nugget! The nugget is a flat slug, maybe the shape of the nugget or maybe it was on edge, that caused the low/high signal. So now I dig everything!
 
You explained it just fine. In the past PI's have had to have a very short pulse delay setting in order to pick up small gold due to the eddy currents quick dissipation. Iron with it's ferrous properties allowed it to maintain the eddy current flow for a much longer period of time hence the problem with eliminating iron. So it seems to me that what you are saying is that with the Infinium they have somehow managed to add the ferrous properties of iron and steel into the equation making it fall into the high conductivity range which gives it the opposite tone combination of gold and other low conductivty non-ferrous materials. If it can do as you say and do it the at the full depth capabilites of the detector this may just be the Pulse Detector I have been waiting for!!!!!!
A few years ago on Eric's original Forum he mentioned a way of combining two technologies to make a pulse detector that could indicate ferrous vs non-ferrous targets. It was so intriguing of a concepth that I never forgot about it but also something that I didn't have the knowledge to do myself <IMG SRC="/forums/images/frown.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":("> He had mentioned combining a Magnetometer and a Pulse detector into one unit. Since the Pulse detector would detect all metals and the Megnetometer would only respond to the Ferrous metals you could easily determine whether a target was ferrous or non-ferrous. The response would be similar to that of a Nautilus brand detector where you would hear the All Metal Threshold in one side of the headphones and the Discriminate Mode sounds in the other. If you heard a response in both ears you had a non-discriminated target. Just some thoughts for a Memorial Day Weekend <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
Thanks Again for you response Phil and I will be looking forward to hearing more about the new Infinium!!!!
HH
Beachcomber
 
Russ,
I hear ya. That's why we have to dig all signals even though the occasional nail at two feet can sometimes put a damper on things. Then again, as you discovered, the occasional nugget at two feet can bring sunshine to a cloudy day. Keep on walking and swinging, RD
 
RD,
I just realized who you are, congradulations on your success as a nugget hunter! I've read some of of your articals and saw pics of some of your finds on Bill S page, awesome!!! I know it's still early but what do you think of the new Garrett?
Regards, Russ in Az
 
Hi Russ,
If it's even half as good as it sounds, it's going to be awesome. I have enough confidence that Garrett got it right, that I E-mailed Al a couple of weeks ago and told him to send me one as soon as they become available. The waterproof feature is smart and should make it a good all-round machine for beach and relic hunting also. Can't wait to get my grubby little hands on one. Have you seen the specs and pics on Phil's web site? If not send me an E-mail and I'll give you the link. Later, RD
 
Howdy RD,
I have the link to Phil's site, thanks! I'm also anxiously waiting fot the Garrett and because the of the summer heat I'll wait and read the feedback from seasoned nugget hunters such as yourself! Why hasn't there been any feedback from Aussie prospectors that have tried the unit? I talked to a local Garrett dealer and he said the detector would be in his shop on july 4th.
 
I'm not so happy with a two tone discrimination idea ,see some times ago what Eric think about, and I also approved the same because i try in configuration with a pulse circuit with two channels.Very soon ,you turn crazy with this two tones detection!!!!
For me also ,the best method for discrimination , is combining pulse and magnetometer, it is the ONLY effective method ; but actually it's working with a relative big masse of iron ,not with nails or some little trash of iron.Thank you everybody for this Forum.Alexis
 
Phil,
I just saw a picture of this new machine on the
TreasureNet Prospecting Forum! Very interesting
and already getting some attention there. Thank
you for all your insight.
Bobbus
 
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