TnGroundhog
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Don't know where else to put this. I know it has something to do with the Texas Rebel rules. (If you are not a paying customer, he does't want you there.) Probably same reason as there is no Troy Detector forum there either.
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Just Wondering,Why no Fisher forum on Treasure Depot?
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TnGroundhog
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I goofed.
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Whites changed the rules in the middle of the game, and told every dealer they could no longer make sales of new Whites detectors through the mail-every dealer except KELLYCO.
I just got a nice new black wool baseball cap with my new Id-Edge. Much nicer than the old cheap hats they used to have.
All prices are up, not just Whites. Too me, they are all overpriced with the excuse that we are a niche market, and they don't sell as many as other electronics devices do. That may be true, but the components aren't really priced much differently, from what I can tell. Oh well, this hasn't really changed over the past 30+ years that I've been involved in the hobby. Look at the price of everything today. Just about everything is ten times higher than it was in the late 60's/early 70's except my pay.
I am glad that we have so many more instruments to choose from now, than we did back then. Hardly a one of them isn't any good. Seems about all, from each manufacturer, will do the job. Some better at some things, others better at others. It's a great time to be in the hobby.
OldeTymer
All prices are up, not just Whites. Too me, they are all overpriced with the excuse that we are a niche market, and they don't sell as many as other electronics devices do. That may be true, but the components aren't really priced much differently, from what I can tell. Oh well, this hasn't really changed over the past 30+ years that I've been involved in the hobby. Look at the price of everything today. Just about everything is ten times higher than it was in the late 60's/early 70's except my pay.
I am glad that we have so many more instruments to choose from now, than we did back then. Hardly a one of them isn't any good. Seems about all, from each manufacturer, will do the job. Some better at some things, others better at others. It's a great time to be in the hobby.
OldeTymer
BuckeyeBrad
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If it wasn't for the money, there'd only be 5 forums over there. Tejon Classroom Forum, Relic Forum, N/S Forum, GNRS Forum, OT Forum.
BuckeyeBrad
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given your wisdom, perspective, and now, sense of humor. 
Sometimes I think we all tend to get too serious, and go overboard with things, and forget this is a hobby. I know I do. I think when this hobby gets into your blood, I mean really gets into your blood, it's hard not to have it kind of take over your body and soul. Maybe those of us that this happens too, have some left over genes from the likes of Christopher Columbus, or Ponce de Leon, or maybe even Blackbeard and Captain Kidd. There is something about this hobby that when it gets you, it gets you. I can't really explain it any better than that. Just the thought of that next great find makes my heart beat a little faster. Hearing about it, reading about it and seeing it in a news report sets me off. Just writing this almost gives me palpitations. If those reading this get these same feelings, then you know what I'm talking about.
OldeTymer
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BuckeyeBrad
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and I can't really explain how "this" (one's ACTUAL basis and origin for our passion of history) works either. But I sure wonder about it. In other words what is each individual's attraction to history and the past based on. I strongly suspect it precedes our current life in a lot of cases. I know what I'm implying and please don't lynch me. Believe it or not, when I saw the original movie, The Time Machine, around 1960, I was in awe and excited to a level that no other movie to this very day has been able to do. I remember most of it like it was yesterday! By the way, I WAS ONLY 7 YEARS OLD! I remember almost nothing else from those times. Why or how could that happen at that age? All my other interests at the time were just the usual "kid" things, playing from daylight to dusk, and chasing girls even though I had no clue what to do when I caught them. Thinking about what I saw in that movie, the graphic quick passage of time and the physical changes resulting from time passage on any and all locations, still trips my trigger. Every time I dig a target, whether it's 50 or 150 years old, I imagine the surrounding location and the target in those same time sequencing "pictures" that they did in that movie. You talk about getting charged up just talking about something? I'm now officially pumped! 
Another example was the latest version of "Titanic". When they would use forward and backward time lapse on the ship itself and also the character Rose, I got the same thing. When I see the remnants of an old run down farm house, whether I'm hunting it or not, I imagine the site before it was there, during the farm's heyday, and it's decline to it's present day condition. And trying to graphically imagine the billions of years of history any site on this planet has.... well, that REALLY boggles the imagination! Oh well, I could go on forever about this subject but I'll cut the bandwidth some slack. I couldn't resist commenting about something so significantly powerful and yet mysterious to me. If this deems me as weird, just ignore me and I'll go away.
Believe it or not, when I saw the original movie, The Time Machine, around 1960, I was in awe and excited to a level that no other movie to this very day has been able to do. I remember most of it like it was yesterday! By the way, I WAS ONLY 7 YEARS OLD! I remember almost nothing else from those times. Why or how could that happen at that age? All my other interests at the time were just the usual "kid" things, playing from daylight to dusk, and chasing girls even though I had no clue what to do when I caught them. Thinking about what I saw in that movie, the graphic quick passage of time and the physical changes resulting from time passage on any and all locations, still trips my trigger. Every time I dig a target, whether it's 50 or 150 years old, I imagine the surrounding location and the target in those same time sequencing "pictures" that they did in that movie. You talk about getting charged up just talking about something? I'm now officially pumped! Another example was the latest version of "Titanic". When they would use forward and backward time lapse on the ship itself and also the character Rose, I got the same thing. When I see the remnants of an old run down farm house, whether I'm hunting it or not, I imagine the site before it was there, during the farm's heyday, and it's decline to it's present day condition. And trying to graphically imagine the billions of years of history any site on this planet has.... well, that REALLY boggles the imagination! Oh well, I could go on forever about this subject but I'll cut the bandwidth some slack. I couldn't resist commenting about something so significantly powerful and yet mysterious to me. If this deems me as weird, just ignore me and I'll go away. mtdoramike
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Ralph Bryant
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"Back to the Future" I assume ? hahahaha
Ralph Bryant
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If they can make a complete digital stereo system with cassett and CD players, AM/FM radio, speakers and speaker cabinets, remote control, connection cables, instruction manual, packing, boxing, and shipping from freaking CHINA to the United States, get it to the distribution center by truck, and then from the distribution center to the local Wal Mart store, and still sell the damn things for under a hundred bucks, why can't they make a decent metal detector here in the states for the same price ?
Can you say GREED ?
Can you say GREED ?
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There are Federal laws governing these situations dealing with free trade and restriction of trade, and they are made to protect the consumer and see that he gets the best price, its not a law for the benefit of the sellers. The Supreme Court ruled years ago that there no "suggested retail price". In the situation with Whites, with Kellyco being the only entity selling Whites through the mail, there is no mail order competition, and this also props up the local dealers with their prices because of the lack of competition.
What FRL has done is a little different, they simply told all dealers they could not go below a certain price on Fisher detectors, again artifically propting up the prices.
Don't know about Minelab, but Tesoro and Garrett are above board[Tesoro doesn't sell to Kellyco.]
What FRL has done is a little different, they simply told all dealers they could not go below a certain price on Fisher detectors, again artifically propting up the prices.
Don't know about Minelab, but Tesoro and Garrett are above board[Tesoro doesn't sell to Kellyco.]
Fisher told the dealers they couldn't sell below a certain price, the dealer has to sign a contract to that effect. Tesoro has the exact same requirement. The contract states that the dealer can't offer more than a 20% discount from the "suggested retail price", whatever that means. If the dealer doesn't sign, they aren't dealers. DetectorPro holds it to 10%. What's so "above board" about that? Don't kid yourself, they all do it, including Minelab and, I'm sure, Garrett.
OldeTymer
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I Don't kid myself-I assure you I do not. If this were the Oil Companies conspiring to not let gas and other fuels be sold below a certain price, we would have a political 10 ring circus and I guarantee there will be people marching in the streets and people locked up in jail. But unfortunately we are just talking about modified radios which most people consider toys, if they are even aware they exist. And as to "selling a certain point below the suggested retail"- the US Surpreme Court stated there is no such thing. People have the lawful right to sell as cheaply as possible and make the minimum profit needed to survive-volume sales.
Look at a certain large detector company in Florida that has a lot of cheap, and also cheap imports brought in.
"Retail price $1200-this week only $299"[So much for Suggested retail]
You will also learn that since some of these practices are being used, sales are way down-and as always, we are the ones that get the $hit end of the stick. SO, what else is new.
Look at a certain large detector company in Florida that has a lot of cheap, and also cheap imports brought in.
"Retail price $1200-this week only $299"[So much for Suggested retail]
You will also learn that since some of these practices are being used, sales are way down-and as always, we are the ones that get the $hit end of the stick. SO, what else is new.
vlad Wrote:
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... And as to "selling a
> certain point below the suggested retail"- the US
> Surpreme Court stated there is no such thing.
> People have the lawful right to sell as cheaply as
> possible and make the minimum profit needed to
> survive-volume sales...
Just because people have a lawful right to do something, it doesn't necessarily mean that they'll choose to exercise that right (as they may not see it as being in their best interest to do so). As with any contract, I suppose either party can choose to not hold up their end. A distributor can choose to sell low and lose the dealership. It's my belief that part of the contract is the agreement that the COMPANY won't undercut the dealership's price either, so that the dealers can stay in business too. Dramatically reduced prices such as you mention may be covered in the contract when a model is discontinued or as it gets older, so that they can clear their inventory.
Just my spin. I'm neither a MFG, nor am I a dealership. Just a naive consumer.
Tagamet
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... And as to "selling a
> certain point below the suggested retail"- the US
> Surpreme Court stated there is no such thing.
> People have the lawful right to sell as cheaply as
> possible and make the minimum profit needed to
> survive-volume sales...
Just because people have a lawful right to do something, it doesn't necessarily mean that they'll choose to exercise that right (as they may not see it as being in their best interest to do so). As with any contract, I suppose either party can choose to not hold up their end. A distributor can choose to sell low and lose the dealership. It's my belief that part of the contract is the agreement that the COMPANY won't undercut the dealership's price either, so that the dealers can stay in business too. Dramatically reduced prices such as you mention may be covered in the contract when a model is discontinued or as it gets older, so that they can clear their inventory.
Just my spin. I'm neither a MFG, nor am I a dealership. Just a naive consumer.
Tagamet
Ralph Bryant
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The manufacturers also have the right NOT TO SELL their machines if they don't agree with the retailer's selling practices. That effectively gives them the power to control the price of their machines, even if indirectly. If a retailer (or collective retailers) decides to undercut the controlled price level, all the company has to do is raise their price and keep more of the profits for themselves. There are always ways around the so-called "Supreme Rulings".......
You said:
"What FRL has done is a little different, they simply told all dealers they could not go below a certain price on Fisher detectors, again artifically propting up the prices. Don't know about Minelab, but Tesoro and Garrett are above board"
That statement sounded like Tesoro and Garrett didn't follow the practice that FRL does. That's what I was referring to.
You also said:
"You will also learn that since some of these practices are being used, sales are way down-and as always, we are the ones that get the $hit end of the stick. SO, what else is new."
The above statement is why I was asking if you are a dealer. If you are, I understand your plight. As far as the cheap imports with the fictitious MSRP from Kellyco goes, that is a salesmanship problem that requires selling whichever unit you are trying to sell (Tesoro/Garrett) and showing their superior quality/features/benefits over the cheap, unproven, imports. Unfortunately, some people will only look at that bogus MSRP compared to that amazing discount and will buy the cheapie because they think they are getting a better unit. It has to be better, look at the MSRP. They will become discouraged and either get out of the hobby, or maybe come back to you, or whoever the dealer was, and buy a real detector.
Oh well, there are better things to do with our time than wring our hands over this. It's not going to change.
This is the time for research for us in colder climates. Getting our Spring hunting sites picked out. Perhaps going out and contacting land owners for permission to hunt when the frost is out of the ground. For those in the warmer climates, this is the best time for hunting. Most of the bugs are gone. Much of the overgrowth has died off, and the temperatures and humidity has moderated. A great time to be out hunting.
Best of luck to everyone.
OldeTymer
"What FRL has done is a little different, they simply told all dealers they could not go below a certain price on Fisher detectors, again artifically propting up the prices. Don't know about Minelab, but Tesoro and Garrett are above board"
That statement sounded like Tesoro and Garrett didn't follow the practice that FRL does. That's what I was referring to.
You also said:
"You will also learn that since some of these practices are being used, sales are way down-and as always, we are the ones that get the $hit end of the stick. SO, what else is new."
The above statement is why I was asking if you are a dealer. If you are, I understand your plight. As far as the cheap imports with the fictitious MSRP from Kellyco goes, that is a salesmanship problem that requires selling whichever unit you are trying to sell (Tesoro/Garrett) and showing their superior quality/features/benefits over the cheap, unproven, imports. Unfortunately, some people will only look at that bogus MSRP compared to that amazing discount and will buy the cheapie because they think they are getting a better unit. It has to be better, look at the MSRP. They will become discouraged and either get out of the hobby, or maybe come back to you, or whoever the dealer was, and buy a real detector.
Oh well, there are better things to do with our time than wring our hands over this. It's not going to change.
This is the time for research for us in colder climates. Getting our Spring hunting sites picked out. Perhaps going out and contacting land owners for permission to hunt when the frost is out of the ground. For those in the warmer climates, this is the best time for hunting. Most of the bugs are gone. Much of the overgrowth has died off, and the temperatures and humidity has moderated. A great time to be out hunting.
Best of luck to everyone.
OldeTymer