...Sorry for the New Thread but I have some input and figured there were so many posts on the original thread that anything that I said would just get Lost!!....Bill F... take your Original Silver Sabre to your site...I bet that you will do a lot better with it....I have lots of experience using the older detectors and know that ones experience and comfortability with a detector that you have used for years will greatly compensate and probably do better than the Vaquero....Nothing wrong with the Vaquero but it may take you a lot more hours of using it to compare with your expertise with the Silver Sabre...Just try it at your house sites...do not listen to those you say that newer is better...it is Not always....but in this case I bet if you use your Silver Sabre you will do a lot better........Also since your Frustration Factor seems to be high now...it may be a good time to Cherry Pick....until your Frustration subsides I would Not dig the Nails...and there are ways to Cherry Pick even with your Silver Sabre without Target ID.....Good Luck...Joe
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Kicking a Not so Dead Vaquero Horse...Part II....
- Thread starter John(H)
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Thanks guys. I have been thinking of taking the SS with me. I am just determined to either make this V work for me or find out if its the V itself. When I read of someone getting a V for the first time and going to places they have been many times and still coming out with hundreds of coins in a week it makes me highly suspicious of the V. My biggest question is- are they old coins or new? I measure MY success by the old coins I find, not clad. Dont get me wrong, I'll take it all, but old stuff and jewelry is my thing.
I did just get a 5.75 in. widescan to see if I can get through some of the trash, but right now it's 28 and snowing so I have to wait. At some point I'm sure I will let you know how it goes.
Thanks again for the encouragement.
HH to all, Bill
I did just get a 5.75 in. widescan to see if I can get through some of the trash, but right now it's 28 and snowing so I have to wait. At some point I'm sure I will let you know how it goes.
Thanks again for the encouragement.
HH to all, Bill
I forgot to mention, Joe you said not to dig the nails. That kind of has been some of my problem. Old nails, wadded up foil, even pieces of 40 year old pulltabs at 4-5 inches are giving me what I have felt to be good clean repeatable signals. I think thats why I am so stubborn about figuring this puppy out, everybody says you should be able to tell the difference. Ok, I'm game.
Listen Bill...
First I agree with Joe on taking what you are good at using if you wish to prove to yourself there are items there. Take both detectors with you and hit the good signals with both detectors to compare. Then dig and you'll soon understand how each reacts.
Second...Even with the Vaquero there are going to be TONS of items that will fool everyone even if you know your detector....I dig trash all the time. You just can't get away from it.
I know I for one would rather dig trash with a good signal than let a good signal go unexplored thinking I didn't have faith in what it was telling me.
I can't wait for you and that coil to get another 30 hours in the field and you coming back here raving on how good you are now doing
and looking at these posts and laughing.
Gary
First I agree with Joe on taking what you are good at using if you wish to prove to yourself there are items there. Take both detectors with you and hit the good signals with both detectors to compare. Then dig and you'll soon understand how each reacts.
Second...Even with the Vaquero there are going to be TONS of items that will fool everyone even if you know your detector....I dig trash all the time. You just can't get away from it.
I know I for one would rather dig trash with a good signal than let a good signal go unexplored thinking I didn't have faith in what it was telling me.
I can't wait for you and that coil to get another 30 hours in the field and you coming back here raving on how good you are now doing
and looking at these posts and laughing.
Gary
dixiedigger57
Member
Yep--when you get frustrated, sit down a while. i got frustrated digging tabs the other day and cranked my machines up. 218 tabs to be exact. i broke my cardinal rule of always using a nickle to set my machine. i have three beep and dig tesoros. eldorado, silver sabre plus and amigo II. i finally went to the amigo ii and cherry picked and calmed down some. if its that trashy smaller coil. more trash means more traffic means more stuff lost in my book. gotta dig some. no way around it. no magic wand, no absolute accurate ID machine, more disc = more lost goodies. a qoute from Monte--the best disc is your own eyes. there are fairly accurate machines-fairly. but not absolute. i dont care who you are, how many years hunted and what type machine. if they were that good everyone would have one. i think the vac is a powerfull machine and you may need to go to a smaller field of detection coil wise to narrow down area searched and cherry pick. just mho
Hey, I agree with both of you on the last 2 posts. I've been doing it long enough to know that to find good stuff you have dig trash. I just havnt taken the Sabre with me yet to compare the two. I also would be one of the first tell someone new to this hobby that you have to put the coil over a coin to GET A COIN. I think sometimes in my frustration I forget that bit of wisdom.
With all of that, I did go out last Saturday for a couple of hours to the new freeway site and found a 1906 V about ,6 inches, and to be honest I was certain it was good before I dug. Even more so when I checked the hole after pulling out my plug because it was still in there.
With all of that, I did go out last Saturday for a couple of hours to the new freeway site and found a 1906 V about ,6 inches, and to be honest I was certain it was good before I dug. Even more so when I checked the hole after pulling out my plug because it was still in there.
...BillF...To make it clear....I dig all of the foil..... kinda depends on the site...once or twice I was on a site where there were 100's of targets in each 1 foot square area......there are some sites that the only way to hunt it at all is to too crank up the discriminator or stop detecting and go get the sifter......I set my discriminator to knock out the average iron nail....I dig all of the foil signals because that is the zone where most of the valuable gold rings show up.......it is true that one must dig a lot of junk to get the goodies but at the end of the day when your back and knees are screaming because of all the pain..(.I have osteo-arthrisis real bad in both knees....)... then is a good time to cherry pick....also if you are extremely limited in your time to hunt or even if you are a traveler and you are just passing through.....also do not be alarmed when you see all of the good finds and No trash.....most do not mention the 2 or 3 pouches of trash that they threw away....Also be real careful on what you throw away...at some of the treasure club hunts I like to go thru all of the junk that most throw away....I have found a lot of keepers that way......Good Luck....Joe
You can always take the Vaquero out...crank up the disc and get used to how just coins sound....then when you get comfortable with that...lower it a notch and start taking mental notes on how things sound as they break up....then lower it again and repeat.
It wont take that long and you'll have a mental reference on the sounds.
Just thinking out loud
Gary
It wont take that long and you'll have a mental reference on the sounds.
Just thinking out loud
Gary
Ok, for what its worth. I couldn't take it any longer. I put the 5.75 on and headed out into the snow with my army shovel. I dont care if I dig holes where I was going because the dozers are coming soon anyway. I went to one of the spots where I said in a previous post that it was like someone threw a box of washers all over. Well, guess what they were, no cheating now, washers!
Everywhere! But, in between all those signals I picked up half a dozen coins. I was only there 30 minutes or so but I was able to pick them out of all that. Pennies, all memorials, one canadian. 2 were copper the rest zincolns, but it still made me happy.
Thanks guys.
Bill
Everywhere! But, in between all those signals I picked up half a dozen coins. I was only there 30 minutes or so but I was able to pick them out of all that. Pennies, all memorials, one canadian. 2 were copper the rest zincolns, but it still made me happy.
Thanks guys.
Bill
Gary,
Thanks for this post. My hunting is usually only an hour or less and so I cherry pick. Had 10 pieces of junk today 2 quarters, 2 coppers and 3 zinc but still not able to tell differences in tone. My headphones are Koss UR29 30.00. You think a better set would help? Thanks, Glenn
Thanks for this post. My hunting is usually only an hour or less and so I cherry pick. Had 10 pieces of junk today 2 quarters, 2 coppers and 3 zinc but still not able to tell differences in tone. My headphones are Koss UR29 30.00. You think a better set would help? Thanks, Glenn
Just like these fine folks have said, there was a difference in tone. After a few washers then a couple of coins I noticed a slight difference in the sound and that was the sound I listened for today. With more practice this will get a whole lot easier. However, I am not going to rely on just what i think is good, there might be something hidden under the other things for sure.
Bill
Bill
Hey Glenn...
Your set up seems fine.. I tend to like more of a full ear covering headphone that has a good seal around the ear and cuts out the outside noise.
I also turn it up as loud as I can stand so I dont miss any subtle clip or click in the signal. Now I realize that there are plenty of situations
where being totally absorbed into the sounds wouldn't be safe but when you can get away with it do so. Just as bill just posted he started
to notice a difference in the sound. He's just touched on it and will get better with his tools from this point on.
Have faith in your tools.....Have faith in yourself.
When in doubt dig...Dont walk away from a iffy signal thinking BAH it was just junk...Those turn into the good ones.
Gary
Your set up seems fine.. I tend to like more of a full ear covering headphone that has a good seal around the ear and cuts out the outside noise.
I also turn it up as loud as I can stand so I dont miss any subtle clip or click in the signal. Now I realize that there are plenty of situations
where being totally absorbed into the sounds wouldn't be safe but when you can get away with it do so. Just as bill just posted he started
to notice a difference in the sound. He's just touched on it and will get better with his tools from this point on.
Have faith in your tools.....Have faith in yourself.
When in doubt dig...Dont walk away from a iffy signal thinking BAH it was just junk...Those turn into the good ones.
Gary
BillF,
Glad you tried the small coil. Kind of eye opening experiencing a small coil pick through trash that sounded like noise with a bigger coil. Glad you are starting to pick up some of the beep subtleties that iron can give. Round washers do sound very good and are hard to tell apart from coins unless you have the two side by side like you had. I still dig most washers I come across even when I think they may be a washer.
Cheers,
tvr
Glad you tried the small coil. Kind of eye opening experiencing a small coil pick through trash that sounded like noise with a bigger coil. Glad you are starting to pick up some of the beep subtleties that iron can give. Round washers do sound very good and are hard to tell apart from coins unless you have the two side by side like you had. I still dig most washers I come across even when I think they may be a washer.
Cheers,
tvr
Tvr, there was no way I could have gotten through all those signals with the 9x8. I wanted to go to that particular spot because of that trash, besides I've been sitting on that coil for 3 days now. The itch was more than I could stand. With the weather like it is I didnt expect to be out long. There was so much snow on that little coil. Very glad I went though, first chance I'm going to the far end where the houses were from 1899-1905. Been hard hit, but it also has ton of trash, I hope to get what the others left if I'm lucky. Have to get it done before they cover it in asphalt.
TellYaWhut
Member
The Vaquero can be run successfully in trashy or iron filled sites provided that you can get a proper Ground Balance setting, run the Sensitivity very low, use the smallest concentric coil available, and the Threshold to barely audibile. Everytime you adjust the Sensitivity you'll have to r-adjust the ground balance. Experiment with diffrent Disc settings, starting with the lowest settings. If your ground has moderate mineralization the Tesoro Cibola is a lot easier to keep running smooth than the Vaquero.
I am using a widescan. I bought it primarily because of our soil. I had to make a choice, this was a start. I also ordered a lower pole assembly to make coil swapping on the fly easier.
I cant really afford another detector at this time, as much as I love this hobby, my other hobby is a Harley.
I cant really afford another detector at this time, as much as I love this hobby, my other hobby is a Harley.
wheatymike
Member
You guys are better than I am. I have had a Vaquero for about eight months and I can't tell a difference in the sounds other than most coins I find are smooth and don't brake up when you sweep it different directions. Now that I have a 5.75 coil I get a little more feedback. With the smaller coil I can tell the size and shape alot better which is now mostly how I discriminate what I dig. If it is coin/ring size and doesn't brake up when I sweep it I will dig. This way I hunt as low of a discrimination as I can stand. ( usually between foil and nickel. depending on the site.) and dig all small repeatable target. I just wise I could distinguish the sounds of the tone like you guys can. May need more practice.