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Let me pose one more question to pick up where we left off yesterday.

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NH Bob

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You all know by now that I hunt in All Metal all the time and in Ferrous. Tone and Cross hairs in that order are my style of hunting.
With that in mind, how many of you feel that Fast is still the way to go in a busy (trashy) site ?
I believe if I can hear it all then Fast is a waisted setting for me.
 
I agree with that. Tone, Digital, and crosshairs for me...AM, ferrous, Deep on, Fast off. I don't see where Fast is of use to me either. I'm willing to learn though...just can never seem to get into it. I try it, don't like it, and turn it back off. :)
 
will always be different then yours and so will the filter I use. I like my coffee black so how about no filters both fast and deep off. As long as we hunt in different dirt and iron continues to rot away where once was no coins now there is and the first thing we say is that it's my new setting but it was only the iron rotting away that gave up the coin. I am always going back to sites that have many crown caps that are rotting away and I do finding more coins.
 
Bob,

I'm open screen except crown caps, ferrous, manual sens. I've run both ways fast on/off, don't think there is a huge difference.

Chris
 
I agree, Hunting wide open you already hear everything in the ground. So what good would Fast be anyway?
 
No matter how you setup your Explorer someone can walk behind you with an Explorer setup differently and they WILL dig good targets you can't get a signal on with your settings even if they point out the exact spot where the good target is.

Take Bob and I, lets say Bob and I are running exactly the same settings except for discrimination. Lets say Bob is running all metal, zero discrimination. I could discriminate out the entire left half side of my screen and walk behind Bob and sooner or later I would get a good signal on a coin his machine could not pick up.

Believe it, I have tested this many times in the field. A couple two or three years ago we were debating iron mask/conductive versus all metal/ferrous and I did some testing in the field. I hunted both ways and when I found a target of interest I changed settings and swept the target again. My findings were quite surprising. Now before we talk about the details let me say that all metal WILL get a signal on the vast majority of targets, but its not 100%.

My findings...most of the time I got a much better signal running all metal than when discriminating out iron. Often when I discriminated out the iron the signal broke up and sometimes vanished altogether. Okay thats what I was expecting to happen. BUT...every now an then when I discriminated out iron on an iffy all metal signal the signal actually improved considerably. Oddly, every now and then I'd get a decent signal with iron discriminated out, switch to all metal and poof the signal vanished altogether e.g. there was no hint of a coin.

Over time I found this was true in other areas. I once got a fair silver dime signal mixed with some rusty crowncap signal and the cursor was right on the top edge of the crowncap discrimination. So I switched to all metal and poof all trace of the silver dime vanished, the cursor dropped well into the rusty crowncap zone and sounded like a textbook rusty crowncap. In this case I think when I allowed crowncaps in, it being the stronger signal the Explorer locked onto it hard and well I would never have known a silver dime was nearby thats for sure.

So nothing is 100%, thats the tip. If you have pounded a site clean with your usual settings try some new settings.

Charles
 
For the sake of argument wouldn't you say that running with say iron mask at 22 the nulling in a high trash/iron place is going to make the machine run near silent. No threshold tone thus no audible signal?
If this is where Fast works don't you still have to slow way down?
In All Metal in the same area I slow way down.
Believe me I'm not trying to be difficult. Just trying to see the real difference.
 
Bob,

Because it still takes time to recover from a signal.

I played around with settings quite a bit when I first got my machine, been running it pretty much the same for awhile. Perhaps need to experiment and revisit some different settings. I have a few sites that were very productive but now digable signals are few and far between, will try give these places a whirl with some different settings.

But probably not soon, ground has refroze despite daytime highs in the 40s.

Chris
 
Hi Bob,

I hunt a park regularly, and go over ground that I have hunted previously and still pick up coins that I have missed. I hunt in all metal with a sensitivity between 5 and 10, (mostly because I am not permitted to dig holes) I have deep and fast Off, and just listen to the tones, I usually check the cross hairs to confirm what I'm hearing. So the conclusion is that I really don't think you will pick up everything the first time you go over a piece of ground. An old friend of mine would detect the ground one way then turn around and detect it from the right angle of his previous run, and I must say he was fairly successful but once again he didn't get everything.

Just my thoughts.....Boony
 
Without a doubt, when my XS was brand new and now that it is over 6 years old, FAST ON, with my maxed out settings is not good at all. I do get a lot of falsing, with the same settings I use with FAST OFF.

Maybe by backing down , way down my sensitivity, gain, limits, volume, headphone volume, hold my coil 6 inches off the ground, than maybe FAST will be OK. Yes, I am being a tad sarcastic.

I stated in a previous post the only time I THINK FAST worked to get me a coin that I would not have gotten without it was a one of the most horrible iron laden sites I ever hit. BUT, it is entirely possible I would have gotten the coin without FAST. What I did that day was lower my sensitivity from my normal 30-32 down to 15. I did get a nice 1800 Large Cent using FAST that day, but then again, from the same homestead, I got 3 other Large Cents with FAST OFF.

Again, I think the most important thing is to just go real, real slow in the heavy iron areas and the ole standard of different direction hunting.

My settings for almost 6 years have remained the same and my finds have not been that bad in that period.

Don in SJ XS - Dec 2000
 
Discrimination causes nulling and nulling produces no signal. With no signal specially in heavy iron nulling is basically constant.
No discrimination in heavy iron produces an almost constant iron drone. But by slowing down the spaces between the drones gets larger.
Point is I can hear it all. If not in one direction then in another.
I don't have all the technical jargon but I am an intense hunter and a stubborn New Englander :yo:
 
Bob like you I'm a all metal ferrous type so I can't speak to how those Fast ON disc guys hunt. Last I heard though Upstate Jim who is an expert with the Explorer and lives an hour or so south of me was running iron disc and Fast on with a small coil and he hunts mostly old cellar holes. I remember him saying that his machine is pretty much in a constant null but he goes slow and the large cents and buttons peek through. I have seen him post a lot of old finds on a relic forum on another site so it seems effective.
 
By the way I'll be down in south jersey next week for probably a weeks worth of detecting. I'm also picking up a new SE, two coils (ML 8 and Sunray 12), and a probe from Joe while I'm there.
 
I use NO discrimination when I use Ferrous Mode because its so easy to use, but when I use Conduct Mode which is most of the time I use a -14 Iron Mask and I also have a coin program that has worked well for six years in the Conduct mode.
 
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