Looking through the last few post on here makes me kinda sad we will never know

[Keith Southern]

what the next detector would of been like from Fisher in the Coinstrike/Excel/Edge Lineage.I'm sure if things would have worked out for Fisher we would be seeing a new detector by now.

At least they went out on top in my book with their last offering of the Edge.Truly a remarkable machine that people are quick to judge who have never used one. great depth and separation in trash that cant be beat.

I can run the Edge in some nasty iron an eek out a target or two the so called greatest trash picking machines leave behind.

I would have loved to have seen what Dimitar and fisher could of Offered us to go head to head with the e-trac and vision v-3 and the likes.


Keep on swinging the classics there great and thank goodness we have a forum to talk about them..

Keith Southern

 

[BJ in Okla.]

I think they will out last the new Fisher's, and I had a F-75 and F-70, the quality is just not there....

I wonder about what ever happened to the people that worked at the old Fisher.

BJ

 

[LilloEsquilo]

I'm sure the Edge is a great machine. I have an Excel, which is way better than I expected it would have been for the price. Lot of fun to use, lightweight, and deeper than many people seem to think it is.

But I have compared it to the F-75 and really there is no comparison. The 75 is unbelievably fast. It can see a coin right next to a nail with ease. I do believe you can pull goodies out of iron with the Edge, but the 75 makes it seem ridiculously easy. Just my view but I'm glad this machine is a Fisher. I can respect the older detectors as well as the new ones. I've used the E-Trac and it's a very good detector, but the 75 is no slouch. I just wouldn't overlook it because it's "new".

 

[Jackpine Savage]

to what the Edge does when hunting in iron. That is, they tend to pick out and report the "best" signal in the midst of the ferrous "noise" better than any previous designs. While I believe the T2 may have a slightly faster processor than the Edge, it's mostly because of the unique DD coil design that is sees some targets the Dimitar machines won't.

The ID Edge equipped with the 6" coil is no slouch in iron and very little if any depth is lost compared to the stock coil. The higher frequency of T2/F75 forces the need for bigger coils to pick up deep silver which can be a big disadvantage when heavy iron requires going to a smaller coil.

JMHO

Tom

 

[BarnacleBill]

Agreed, and actually my understanding via some super secret contacts is that he was shopping around some new prototypes of his own design looking for investors after departing Fisher.

I've tried the F70 and it doesn't hold a candle to the Edge or the Excel. It's actually one of the poorest detectors I've ever laid my hands on. I'd reach for the BH QDII I have, before the F70.

Cohu had plenty of money to put into Fisher but instead chose to bleed it dry. If I were the Giffords I would have Dimi on speed dial after the FT & Fisher deal. Tesoro needs some serious help on the VDI/TID front and Dimi could have provided a credible effort with a new platform. Mating Dimi's excellent understanding of iron disc & VDI/TDI, mated to a high gain Tejon based platform may have provided an interesting mid-range detector. Maybe they should both sign up for Eharmony.com to match their compatibility indexes.

HH
BarnacleBill

 

[Keith Southern]

the ability to pull co-located targets (ferrous and non-ferrous) out of the ground when they are mixed together at greater depth's.the lighting fast t-2/f-75 are good for about 6-7 inches with the DD design but once the targets get down deeper in the ground the Edge see's better in the deep matrix of iron non-iron Jambalaya.

I dug a pocket watch yesterday around 12-13 inches with the 10.5 coil and could here 2 distinct tone 1 high 1 iron grunt low.Thought to myself well the target is high falsing off to the side it was about 5 inches away..One spot was a perfect -30 the other spot about 5 inches away was a lock at +28.. I was thinking iron false off the side of iron that is probably big iron about 4 inches deep well after I dug up the pocket watch I said huh why the iron tone moved over toward the side of the big hole I had dug still iron tone about 9 inches down in the side of the iron hole was a piece of busted up Kettle about the size of a playing card..

That's the kind of separation I'm talking about at depth.Not many machines can i.d correctly at depth like that especially lock on I.d. tone and visual.

One thing about the Edge if its round and non ferrous man that joker lets you know it.If a person wanted to hunt coins I don't believe there would be non better.

Good info Bill on Dimitar wish someone would jump on with him. Maybe Troy can get him on board with his deep seeking design's and Dimitar's I.d.'s that would be an awesome combo.

Thanks

Keith Southern

 

[Dave J.]

It's amusing reading the posts which speculate about Fisher & Dimitar, since from where I sit no speculation is necessary. A couple of posts which on the surface seem to say that Fisher should have kept Dimitar, if you read between the lines, actually suggest good reasons why he might have been terminated.

The old Fisher had become a money sinkhole, that's why Cohu dumped it. Not speculation. It's easy to love the old Fisher only if you didn't have to deal up close with the horrible mess it became under Cimino.

Someone posted wondering what happened to the employees of the old Fisher. Most were eventually laid off, of course, since operations were moved to El Paso. Several key people from the old Fisher are part of the new Fisher. The continuity is strongest in engineering. The continuity in upper level management is zero-- thank goodness!

--Dave J.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

there is no super critical disc setting needed for good see thru in iron and it uses a concentric coil to boot! Heck run it at 99 if you want with little fear of it calling co-located non-ferrous targets iron.

Dave you should find the tooling for the 5.75" coil Fisher came out with for the Coinstrike/Edge and use it on the new Tek mid price line. It is a perfect size for a lot of sites and as you know with smaller coils the depth loss over stock is minimal.

Tom

 

[Dave J.]

Dave you should find the tooling for the 5.75" coil Fisher came out with for the Coinstrike/Edge and use it on the new Tek mid price line. It is a perfect size for a lot of sites and as you know with smaller coils the depth loss over stock is minimal.

Tom

Jackpine, we (finally) have a 5 incher for the new Teks, so there's not much chance of a 5 3/4 being added to the lineup.

--Dave J.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

This is a very interesting thread to read through, certainly seem to be a few folks "in the know" about the politics and such at Fisher and FT.

Dave can you give us any insight on the next high end F-series to come out ? The F75's been out for a while now, must be about time for that next leap

hh,
Brian

 

[LilloEsquilo]

Corporate politics is the same everywhere I've been in corporate America (which is more than one or two companies). To me it's nauseating, but I suppose some people might actually enjoy it. Then again some people enjoy some pretty strange things. Not surprising that the same goes on in FT and went on in Fisher.

I work in corporate America and I personally hate it. I can do my job well but that has very little to do with how you are perceived by your company, it's a popularity contest at heart. Just kiss the right rear ends and stab the wrong rear ends in the back and you'll do well in that pool of sharks. Always be two faced and speak in terms like "leveraging synergies" and "utilizing resources" and "proactive" and the like. Toot the insane stuff they come up with constantly so they think you are one of the "true believers" and never miss a chance to lick the CEO's shoes (or anything else you can) and you'll prosper, at least until you're downsized, but hopefully you'll get a letter of recommendation.....

 

[LilloEsquilo]

Slightly faster? That's a bit like saying a Ferrari is slightly faster than a bus. I've never seen anything as fast as the F75, and I've had a T2 and have an ID Excel. (Never had an Edge so I can't speak on that).

What does surprise me is how the Excel as good as it is, is all but given away these days. I saw a like new one on the big auction site for a starting price of 99 dollars, and no takers. You can barely get a piece of junk detector made in the people's republic of communism for that. (And one from the good old people's republic will probably have something in it that kills you as a free bonus). I just can't believe how cheap such a good detector sells for these days. Same with the Coinstrike, they are almost giving them away. A person looking for a good detector at a bargain price shouldn't have too much trouble finding that today.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

at the price they are going for it is an amazing bargain when you consider its capabilities.

I always felt the Edge was slightly over priced in its segment considering the feature set but after extensive time experiencing its capabilities you forget the sticker shock!

You know, when it comes to comparing clock speed audio response and the human factor, despite the fact that the T2 and Edge have different designers I feel they are very similar in the way they see and report targets. The Edge is always in "PF" mode, it high falses on iron when cranked up yet the audio response of the iron falses are quite different from good targets allowing you to simply keep on swinging. You do get the occasional iron foolers for sure just like any other machine. But, put the T2 on the same site and in the same conditions set at its optimum iron disc and its iron false city requiring much more double checking of signals. I understand the Omega solves this to an amazing degree yet has similar see-thru. Now we are seeing some progress!!!


Tom

 

[Jackpine Savage]

n/t

 

[Dave J.]

5 incher for Teks and F-series Fishers is a round DD.

--Dave J.

 

[riverguy]

Amen on working in crappy corporate America. That is what is wrong with this country, corporate assholes and union management (I don't mean union workers) AND STUPID GOVERNMENT. I gave up the corprate route 20 years go and started my firm. It is quite simple now. I need money, I work. I screw off I don't make as much money, but it is all under my control. I have information workers (IN THIS COUNTRY) working for me on an independent contractor status so no payroll crap to deal with. They send me an invoice I verify their work and paypal them their money.

My business is on the Internet so I earn money even when I am out coin hunting or securing permission to hunt a property. It is good way to augment my exercise and get out in the fresh and often hot air here in Atlanta.

 

[Keith Southern]

and see what kind of luck I have hunting some dense iron trash for civil war relics!

Cant wait.

thanks

Keith Southern

 

[LilloEsquilo]

This is another topic, but as an F-75 customer I've been thinking of what I would like to see added to or changed on the current machines.

It went through my somewhat crazy head that multi-frequency would be good, and in certain soils it probably would be, but then I thought the F-75 is plenty deep here even without that, and it would probably degrade battery life significantly. I've already found stuff deeper than I wanted to dig with the F-75 in the soil here so I don't think I care about that.

But, what I would like to see is a somewhat easier to use notch system. Reading the manual on the notch feature the first time, I went "huh?" it was like trying to follow your calculus professor as he went off on some crazy tangent. After re-reading it, it made a bit more sense, but if the interface could be improved for that, it would be a good thing.

Other than that, I really can't think of anything as weird as that may sound. You guys did a hell of a job on that detector. I guess all I would also ask is if some of the characteristics of the 75, like what happens when you use certain discrimination levels, be better documented. Maybe you guys didn't even know about some of them, not sure. I know the forums are a good source of info on that as well. Oh and if at all possible, and it may not be, make it better discriminate against bottlecaps without losing separation. I've dug a few of those things, because sometimes in the mode I like to use they are very iffy so if they are deep you just never really know and I tend to dig them. Still this thing flat out rocks. Some people say there is a learning curve but I haven't seen it; it seems to make sense to me. Maybe having the T2 helped with that. I loved that detector but this is just way better yet.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

For some of the areas I hunt, nothing has a negative impact more them EMI. [size=x-large]IF[/size] Fisher/Teknetics would seriously work on reducing the effects of EMI on their potential deep seekers, it would unlock a lot of previously unhuntable areas more then any other single inhibitor.

LilloEsquilo I agree with you on multifrequency, it's a great technology, and on the multifreq machines I've used they've done well in mineralized ground where single freq machines end up having to be detuned to the point of turning into a $200 detector.

Jumpy numbers suck. The classic digital Fishers at times had slightly jumpy numbers but not too bad, but the newer ones tend to jump all over the place.

The ability to save programs is nice or at least save the last settings (nvram is cheap!).

Notching should be intuitive, take the CZ70, that's about as easy as notching gets, and it should be that easy, anything more complicated is poor design/programming.

 

[Bill Ladd]

n/t