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Looking through the last few post on here makes me kinda sad we will never know
- Thread starter Keith Southern
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LilloEsquilo
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It shouldn't be hard to find another as people seem to be practically giving them away. I saw two more on there with bids in the low 100s. I think people who sell that cheap will regret it one day as this is a really good detector (even better when teamed with the Sunray probe) - I can't think of a better machine for that money, not a single one.
steve herschbach
New member
Hi Dave,
Been out prospecting for six weeks, and now catching up. Had to comment on this. Because I remember the Fisher of old, when Jim Lewellen and you were on board. When Fisher had the best product and the best quality, bar none. Then came Coho and Cimino. And Dimitar.
Dimitar gets kudos but the fact is that while his electronics worked, his ergonomics sucked. People expected a CZ-100, they got a Coin Strike. People expected a Gold Bug 3, they got a Gold Strike. The 12XX series ended. The units worked, but they were too different and in many cases controls were opposite in function from what went before. They weighed more and cost too much. Sales plunged. Losses mounted. And the end came.
There are people here who used the Dimitar units enough to decide they had value. Most did not but it was because of the poor ergonomics and pricing. It says that perhaps those units, properly packaged and priced, might have a market.
Me, I'm waiting for my CZ-100. Which is just a CZ-70 in a F75 pod. Or my Gold Bug 3. Which is just a Gold Bug 2 that can flip between 15 kHz and 75 Khz. Or something similar, whatever electronics demands. Oh yeah, a CZ-20 that puts nickle range back into gold mid-tone instead of high coin. Zinc penny on up should go high tone. I'd pay $2000 for that detector. Give me low iron, mid equals gold, and high zinc and above. The SH guys are close but they put zinc at mid-tone. Probably correct in theory as some gold hits zinc range, but I hate digging zincs!
What if the detecting god came down and gave me a water unit that was low tone iron, and the disc knob allowed me the set the break between mid-tone and high tone where I wanted? Would that not be amazing? Does anyone really think most water hunters are looking for coins? I know I'm not.
Just once in my life I'd like to get a mail survey from any detector manufacturer that asked what people like me, who have bought over 100 detectors in the last 35 years, want next. Don't query a select group of dealers or engineers. Ask those of us who buy detectors year after year after year. "Hey, Steve, noticed you buy lots of our detectors. What do you want"?
Would that not be a miracle?
Thanks Dave for all you've done for me. Probably rude to note here but I've been killing it with a GMT lately. You have had a hand in most of the best units I've ever used. How about you give BC a run for his money?
Steve Herschbach
Been out prospecting for six weeks, and now catching up. Had to comment on this. Because I remember the Fisher of old, when Jim Lewellen and you were on board. When Fisher had the best product and the best quality, bar none. Then came Coho and Cimino. And Dimitar.
Dimitar gets kudos but the fact is that while his electronics worked, his ergonomics sucked. People expected a CZ-100, they got a Coin Strike. People expected a Gold Bug 3, they got a Gold Strike. The 12XX series ended. The units worked, but they were too different and in many cases controls were opposite in function from what went before. They weighed more and cost too much. Sales plunged. Losses mounted. And the end came.
There are people here who used the Dimitar units enough to decide they had value. Most did not but it was because of the poor ergonomics and pricing. It says that perhaps those units, properly packaged and priced, might have a market.
Me, I'm waiting for my CZ-100. Which is just a CZ-70 in a F75 pod. Or my Gold Bug 3. Which is just a Gold Bug 2 that can flip between 15 kHz and 75 Khz. Or something similar, whatever electronics demands. Oh yeah, a CZ-20 that puts nickle range back into gold mid-tone instead of high coin. Zinc penny on up should go high tone. I'd pay $2000 for that detector. Give me low iron, mid equals gold, and high zinc and above. The SH guys are close but they put zinc at mid-tone. Probably correct in theory as some gold hits zinc range, but I hate digging zincs!
What if the detecting god came down and gave me a water unit that was low tone iron, and the disc knob allowed me the set the break between mid-tone and high tone where I wanted? Would that not be amazing? Does anyone really think most water hunters are looking for coins? I know I'm not.
Just once in my life I'd like to get a mail survey from any detector manufacturer that asked what people like me, who have bought over 100 detectors in the last 35 years, want next. Don't query a select group of dealers or engineers. Ask those of us who buy detectors year after year after year. "Hey, Steve, noticed you buy lots of our detectors. What do you want"?
Would that not be a miracle?
Thanks Dave for all you've done for me. Probably rude to note here but I've been killing it with a GMT lately. You have had a hand in most of the best units I've ever used. How about you give BC a run for his money?
Steve Herschbach
BarnacleBill
New member
Steve welcome back & I hope you did well on your gold quest. Your post was well thought out and conveys much of the frustrations we've shared, and I've expressed in a less kind manner, over the past couple of years. Honestly, I've kind of thrown up my hands and walked away as I feel I've beaten this horse so badly trying to get it to the watering hole, that I've done killed it. When the CZ-21 came out with Nickels still high tone, and no freshwater switch, that kind of did it for me. Enough to cause a Vulcan to go into Mind Meltdown!
HH
BarnacleBill
HH
BarnacleBill
Steve nice post, I hope the right people take these comments to heart, and egotism and politics don't prevail. After all it's a win-win situation if they listen to the field and build what we're interested in buying vs trying to showcase wiz-bang technology that may well be an advancement, but have mediocre results in the field, or be too complicated for the average user to appreciate (not that there's anything wrong with bells and whistles as long as their useful and don't get in the way of the task at hand).
I just left the largest and most successful networking company in the world, and one thing that they did well was value customer input, after all their the ones writing our paychecks, not the employer. To that end, they sequestered customer feedback before, and after they purchased equipment and services. After all how can a company know what customers really want, and how to make it better, if they don't ask? When customers used tech support services a satisfaction survey was sent to them after their case was closed. Trust me when I say that we didn't always enjoy reading the input, but based on the input of the customer we focused on making better products and services that customers wanted, not what was dictated to us by bean counters and engineers. I can't tell you how many large (multi-million dollar) sales were made simply because a telco, bank, university, government entity, etc. came to us and said "you know we're looking at doing xyz and if you can add this feature to make our xyz work, we'd be happy to buy millions of dollars worth of your widgets". The proof is in the pudding.
I just left the largest and most successful networking company in the world, and one thing that they did well was value customer input, after all their the ones writing our paychecks, not the employer. To that end, they sequestered customer feedback before, and after they purchased equipment and services. After all how can a company know what customers really want, and how to make it better, if they don't ask? When customers used tech support services a satisfaction survey was sent to them after their case was closed. Trust me when I say that we didn't always enjoy reading the input, but based on the input of the customer we focused on making better products and services that customers wanted, not what was dictated to us by bean counters and engineers. I can't tell you how many large (multi-million dollar) sales were made simply because a telco, bank, university, government entity, etc. came to us and said "you know we're looking at doing xyz and if you can add this feature to make our xyz work, we'd be happy to buy millions of dollars worth of your widgets". The proof is in the pudding.