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LTD switch to de from cl/pb modes , Relic trick

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dirtdigger08

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Just hold the RED menu button down and continue to hold while you go back over the target. The screen will not tell you that you are in that mode but electonically you are. I really done see any advantage in this for it most of the time can't read what you have found in the pb/cl mode. IF it is deep it just won't see it to tell you anything, if it is shallow you will get readings and maybe a cleaner ID. If you REALLY want to something different try this --- Take the 5 in dd coil and use it in the cl mode for a real surprize in depth, I'm a relic hunter and love to find the heavy iron areas, and this method will really get you between the iron, and the depth equal to or better than the 11 dd in this senerio. I will not say anymore just give it a try either in the field or better yet do a bench test, not always a good indication, but it will give you a feel for what I'm saying, The 5 in in CL can be the relic hunters dream mode, even though it is slow going but the rewards are REALLY TERRIFIC...
 
Why use the CL over the bp mode with the 5" coil do you think it is deeper. in heavy iron I would think the de mode would be best as it would see less. Am I wrong on this?
just trying to understand your thoughts and or test results on this.

Jason
 
Jason

The de mode will not go as deep as the two new modes, With the 5" coil set it up on a bench, and do an air test, like I said it isn't the best way, but it will give you an idea. You will find that the cl will do a little better than the pb, then try you de mode with that same target and coil and I'm sure you will see the difference...Then real world, go out and dig a hole, make sure you sanitize the area for iron, to keep it simple. Then drop your target in the hole and read it with the DE mode first. Continue this by making the hole deeper till you can't hear the target in DE. Then start there with the pb mode till you get as deep as you can hear it, then put the cl mode to work. Fill the hole each time you are testing to see if you can hear the target. Like I said I relic hunt and the 5" will out do the 11 dd in heavy Iron and separate better, but even then this set up really gets down in the ground.. Really the new LTD there is no use I can see to using the other modes anymore. I hunt if I can 99sen, 0 disc, 4 tones, pb or the cl depending on area, 11 dd most of the time, lots of iron 5". If my area is really paying off I will hunt the 5" only and yes it is slow but very deadly.. In an old camp that I had given up to even hunt, was a new virgin camp to the first trip in with the F 75 first generation. My partner and I dug 3 $1 gold coins in the first few weeks in that old " hunted out camp" if you want to see then look on page 16 of the world treasure news,lower left hand corner.. Yes I have tried mono tone and 2 tone, but I find it easier to hear the non ferrous tones mixed in the ferrous tones. The dollar that I dug was in the middle of a 5'x5' area that must have been a hunt site build with ammo boxes for it was just loaded with nails but the 4 tone picked the non ferrous tone out. When I dug the target I was TERRIFIC LY surprise that is was the gold coin at 5 inches deep with nail next to it and all over it. Keep in mind it wasn't a jump out and bit you tone, but enough to tell you there was a non ferrous target there.. Sorry for the long post... Keep on digging it is there to find....
 
Jason

I re read your question after I posted the answer and I forgot to say, it isn't the mode that see's less it is the footprint of the coil that you are using. The 11 dd has really great separation for just about every hunting senio but in areas with lots of Iron and closely located the 5" is the ticket...So no matter what mode you are in the coil is the factor that is seeing and separating the targets...Hope this helps
 
In heavy iron trash, but I guess the small coil is the key. (It was a nice touch to include that in the box). I'll have to give it a try........
I dug a couple targets in thick iron with the LTD using the 2F tones trick too.....love that high pitched "chirp" :)
HH,
Bill
 
Bill, an Etrac or Explorer resets fast enough to use a 5 inch in the iron, not the way a F75 can. I think I am going to call the CL mode the MineLab mode because it apparently slows the LTD down enough for us slower thinking/hearing Mine Lab users:rofl: I joke about the comparison, but my Etrac is just a slightly faster recovery SE, maybe this LTD in CL mode is a slightly faster than Etrac mode. I think it's really cool that FT thought of a slower recovery speed's use on this machine and is something that really peaks my interest.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the CL mode be the best mode for someone new to the F75 to learn the tones on the LTD? With the tones being A) longer and B) slow coming, wouldn't that make it easier for someone new to the F75 to learn them. Just like using a smaller coil makes it easier?
 
IMO, the CL seems to give slightly less reliable ID's than BP pretty much no matter what the depth of the target is. But if used properly, one is more or less looking for deep non-ferrous ID items with CL and "accurate detailed" ID isn't a factor. I'd say BP with a slower sweep speed would be the best mode for someone coming from an Explorer background. There's no doubt that CL is the deepest mode but I'd recommend it as a mode to try after you hit an area hard in BP.
 
Well I am glad you say that as when my LTD gets here it's advice like that, that's going to help me figure out how to use it.
 
Thank you for the long post! "Sorry for the long post" is the equivalent of "sorry for the greater quantity of information I took the time to give to you". Are you in the habit of apologizing to people at Christmas for giving them a larger gift? Are some of us on some sort of stringent time line here, where a long post is using to much of our precious time and therefore needing an apology of some sort? No more apologizing for long posts....only apologize for short, lazy posts.:razz:
 
have you dug the top 8" or so off about a 10x10 area to see if there are more targets deeper? It might be worth it, you could start with a 3x3..

J
 
As fast as you can in DE, slow in BP, and even slower in CL. I like your test though... but you need to swing really fast in DE for it to be a good test.

J
 
I also think that CL mode will be a disaster for experienced F75ers who don't take the time to read or listen and understand that you have to swing it slow in BP and slower in CL.

I think there should be a "Sticky" post emphasizing this because you know that there are going to be some who will try using BP and CL swinging fast just like always and they will post bad reviews and sell their LTD. I know some people just can't be helped but still...

J
 
Well it has been raining for a few days here so I have not been able to get out. I have been busy overlaying old cw maps on to Google earth. I have been trying to find a certain campfor the last 20 years that has been talked about in some letters I have been getting from the archives. I believe I'm really cloooooooooooooooooooose this time. Hope to check it out this week, for Thursday is looking great. Yes I have it in my back of my mine to dig out that area for there are about 3- 5x5 spots,one of which my gold coin came from, that are just around the bank from the hut holes and my buddy got his not far from the hut holes. I'll keep you all posted as to what happens this week..
 
It's got allot to do with the tones, when learning a new detector. If the bp and cl mode lengthen the tones and people dig the chirps that they are used to being targets in DE with their old F75s, they may just find allot of falsing, frustrating iron. My Etrac was the opposite of my SE's, on my SE, a warbled tone was usually iron, on my Etrac,, that warble is a deepie. Knowing one machine too well is often a deficit in learning another. I have had my V3 in the box, new for 3 or 4 months now, seems every time I learn one machine, it is at the expense of unlearning another. If this new F75 LTD has the ability to lengthen the tones, have faster recovery than an Explorer and get equivalent depth, well, you know what I'll be swinging. I am hesitant in believing that just yet. First Texas is pretty darn aggressive in their technology, so maybe they've accomplished it. I really hope so, that would be the bomb:clapping:
 
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