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MAJOR depth on this one with the F70!

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Once again out to the old park where I found that tribe of Indians.
Still a bit cold and a little frozen ground in some areas but I have to see if I can find me a Barber around here.

When I got there I get my gear on and discover I left my Lesche at home in the garage.
I make a 4 mile trip to the nearest Ace Hardware and pick up another digger that worked pretty good for the $5.99 I spent.


I get back and start donning my gear and now I discover my Propointer is missing.
That I know I had but now I can't find it so I start walking down to the area I first parked hoping it is maybe there next to the curb but no dice.
I get back to the truck and find it sitting in the side pocket of the passenger door where it had rolled into.
Whew!
Then I pull out my F70, turn it on and pick up the headphones only to discover that something is rolling around in the right hand side.
It was the magnet and now I can't hear out of that side anymore.
"Sigh".
These are my lighter weight phones I have been using for a couple of years, very good for the hotter, summer months and made by Sony for listening to all sorts of media...MDR-XD200.

All other cheaper sets I have tried sound way "muddier" by comparison.
I got them on sale at Sears for about $22, they are usually in the $30 range and in the last few years I have seen the price on these go up to over $50 on some sites...way over that price at a few.
Don't know why, they are good but not top end but now mine are toast so maybe I will pick up another pair for the summer and I found a site I can still get them for about $30.
They actually sound great, clear as a bell and the best cheap pair I have ever tried although the cord is about 8' long but I just rolled it up, left enough cord sticking out that I needed and just used a velcro strap and attached it to the upper handle of my detectors.
I have a set of Killer B's but there is a problem with the plug and it cuts out so time to use the lifetime warranty and send it in, I guess.


This hobby is supposed to relieve stress, not cause it, but my day started out not so stress free with all these problems.

Finally I get on with the hunt and walked over to the area where I found that tribe which is a pretty wide grassy area between the street and a curving sidewalk on the edge of this large park.
Some dirt is fine for digging, some is still a bit frozen so I decide I am just going to wander around this area, hold off on the gridding till spring, and hopefully come across some deeper signals at the 7-8" depth mark or more and just dig those in case they might be older coins.
I was looking for high tone signals in the 70's and 80's, and I was also looking for more Indians which came in around 54 on the F70, zinc.
Silver war nickels or some older buffs would have been nice too, so I was watching for numbers in the high 20's to low 30's, also.

Today I planned on messing around with the settings because we have been having some discussions about the best tones to find the deeper targets.
Rocket Tom says monotone will give you the best audio no matter what the numbers say on the screen, a few other F70 owners have been messing around with 1F and 2F and I have been too and I like those a lot.
I was using the 11" DD coil and my settings were set here because on the edge of this park across the street from some big older homes I was getting some EMI from somewhere and maxing this thing out was too noisy.
Sense at 70-80, DE, thresh at 0 or 1, disc at 4 for a little boost in sensitivity you get below 5, and 1F tones, but I kept playing with those and switched around to 1, 2F, 3, and 4H to examine a few of those deeper hits.
Program 2 on my F70 is set on AT and just about everything is maxed in case I need to examine those deep ones further, but this was really noisy at this side of the park.

I also screwed around with all 7 frequency settings looking for the best, quietest one but they all seemed about the same so I left it on #3 and stuck with that most of the day.

There was a lot of iron here in all sizes, 2F was very handy for hunting here I found out quickly because I could easily hear those iron grunts, but 1 tone and 1F worked pretty well, too, and I am still getting used to looking at the screen while I hunt using all of these lower settings which is different than hunting with my F2 where I never look at the screen till I hear a solid tone.
When coin hunting in less trashy areas I still use 4H and that works well and I can revert back to my old hunting style.


There was a lot of foil and little pieces of can slaw here so eventually I tuned the disc up to the low 20's and don't recall noticing any decrease in depth, I still came across plenty of signals at 6" and way past that.
I never really came across any older coins in this area this time, some modern clad ranging from shallow to about 5" deep, a Pokemon Battle coin, a Nidoqueen, and a few other targets at the 6-8" range that ID'd pretty solid but they were can slaw, tabs or other junk type items every time.
On all the deeper ones I did a little switching between the tone choices and I could not see one doing any better or more exact as another...they all seemed to work well including 4H.

After awhile I got bored with this area and the people staring at me as they walked by on the sidewalk, I also had to answer that same old question about 4 times, "Find anything good?", so I took a walk over into the center of the park where I know from past trips there is less EMI to deal with.
At this point I maxed the thing out to 9 on the thresh, 99 on the sense, still in DE because SL was way to noisy and still continued to use 1F.

Way less signals here but I got a few more shallow ones and dug some modern clad, a few deepies that were tabs or can slaw again, still looking for that one great signal with an old coin at the end of it.
I did dig a bell that was about 8-9" deep but it has some sort of plastic at the top that attached to something so I don't think it is way old and then I came across this signal that is the reason for this post.

This signal was loud and clear and repeated from all angles.
I can't say the F70 actually locked onto it completely because on the screen I saw some jumpy numbers from the low 20's to the 40's, but there seemed to be numbers in the range of 23-26 more often than those others.
Changing to other tone settings I got the same thing, one wasn't any more stable than any other, but those same mid range 20 numbers kept popping up.
I think I moved over to program 2 and used my maxed out AT settings and got the same.

Now I know that the F70 can find some pretty deep stuff and might give you a tone, maybe one way maybe from more than one, but at the very end of the scanning range you might not see anything on the screen at all...like it won't even want to guess, but I got numbers on the screen the whole time on this one.
Here is the kicker, when I hit that pinpoint button, depending on slight movements of the coil and from a couple different angles, I was seeing numbers between 10-14 flash on the screen.
Woah, that is deep, and on anything that deep, deeper than about 5-6" anyway, I don't really believe anything I see on the screen at all so all targets have to be dug and extracted to actually know for sure.
Not sure I really believe the screen on any target at any depth but this thing does seem to be pretty good up top about 8"...but being new with this thing I still dig most of them whether it is trash or good numbers to be sure.

This thing was deep, pretty solid, repeated and I just had to see what it was so I laid down my towel and started digging.
The new cheap digger worked well, got a ton of dirt out of the hole pretty quickly and at about the 6" mark I started checking with the Propointer.
Still deeper so I kept digging and checking along the way.
It finally got to the point that the whole pinpointer was in the hole and still I had to go deeper.
Eventually I got down so deep that my whole digger was in the hole, the top of the handle was exactly even with the top of the hole.

Still didn't find whatever this thing was yet but the Propointer said I was real close and another inch of dirt broken up at the bottom, maybe 2, and then grabbed with my gloved hand and pulled out I saw something silvery down there.
Could this be silver jewelry?
I didn't think so with those mid 20's numbers, but who knows what kind of info I would get on something this deep so I stuck my hand in and pulled it out.
NOT silver jewelry but I believe this is the thumb button off an old style bell like kids put on their handlebars of their bicycles.
What the heck it was doing down there so deep I have no idea but there it was, plain as day.


I threw the digger back in the hole and even if the edge went down into the bottom a bit more than where this thing was living there was still 1 1/2 to 2 inches of space between the top of the handle and the top of the hole.
I thought that digger was about 11" long, maybe 12" looking at it but after doing a bit of research and actually measuring the thing this morning I discovered this thing is actually 13" in length.
That means this object was dwelling every bit of 13-14" down there.
I knew the F70 realized something was down there and at the time I didn't believe that 14 number on my pinpointing but now I am dumfounded.
Air testing this thing actually does show up in the 23-25 area on the screen so it was pretty accurate on that too, if I go by the most prominent numbers I was seeing on the screen.

Every single time I go out with this thing it seems to amaze and thrill me.

Now I know that it might or might not give me tons of reliable info on the screen at all times but when it rolls over something deep it knows it and sees it and can tell me in some way.

To see something like this at these numbers at this depth bodes well.
It is a little bigger than a coin, maybe slightly thicker too, but still...
If there is anything including nickels out there lying deep beware!
I know now for sure that I got a machine that can find you.
 
Good to the hear the weather is getting to the point were some are getting out! That was quite the hole you described. Didn't say made in China any were on it did it?:biggrin:

Nice haul on the clad.:thumbup: Don't feel like the Lone Ranger when it comes to leaving some vital piece of equipment behind. Once I left my detector back home and didn't notice it until I arrived at the hunt site. :blush: That was one time I was glad I was hunting alone.:blink:
 
Very nice, did you try that deep signal with all the tones? Just wondering, I am starting to feel like I could be leaving some finds by holding onto the 4h tones.
 
Ayeti65 said:
Very nice, did you try that deep signal with all the tones? Just wondering, I am starting to feel like I could be leaving some finds by holding onto the 4h tones.

I tried them all and got pretty much the same readings and a solid tone on every pass.
Even switching to AT results were the same.
Actually surprising, but it instills confidence that no matter what I use I can still find the deep ones if this holds true on most targets.
 
Ok good news, I was concerned that I might be loosing depth by running the 4h tones. I have pushed my machine farther than normal, but still not as far as you guys are talking about. I now run at disc 15 sens 70+ and thres 0 if I can get it to settle down at these setting, all that falsing drives me nuts. Does the F75 run deep without falsing? Or do we know? Just curious I love my f70, but if the f75 gets deep and runs stable while doing it, maybe it's an upgrade I might consider in the future. At the end of the day I want to use the very best equipment for my time and afford that I have to put into my hunting. I don't want to think that I am missing something by not running my machine at certain levels, which may or may not cause it to give me false signals. Although I get somewhat deep items 6-8 inches sometimes quarters to 10 and don't find anything deeper I just don't think the items are there, not at depths greater than that, or I at least hope they aren't, because I would be walking right over them.
 
Ayeti65 said:
Ok good news, I was concerned that I might be loosing depth by running the 4h tones. I have pushed my machine farther than normal, but still not as far as you guys are talking about. I now run at disc 15 sens 70+ and thres 0 if I can get it to settle down at these setting, all that falsing drives me nuts. Does the F75 run deep without falsing? Or do we know? Just curious I love my f70, but if the f75 gets deep and runs stable while doing it, maybe it's an upgrade I might consider in the future. At the end of the day I want to use the very best equipment for my time and afford that I have to put into my hunting. I don't want to think that I am missing something by not running my machine at certain levels, which may or may not cause it to give me false signals. Although I get somewhat deep items 6-8 inches sometimes quarters to 10 and don't find anything deeper I just don't think the items are there, not at depths greater than that, or I at least hope they aren't, because I would be walking right over them.

From what I read and gather, the F75 is no quieter than the F70 on higher settings...or any settings for that matter.
They are basically clones of each other in this area and my F2 was never really quiet, either.
They just are all oversensitive to EMI and that is something we learn to deal with...or don't.
I just got used to the false tones an learned to ignore them.
In rare cases I hunted areas where my F2 was quiet and only sounded off over targets and in those cases I had to keep checking if it was on because it seemed so weird.

Set it the way you want that is the most comfortable for you.
On most settings I think it still goes pretty darn deep and as long as you are finding a good amount of great targets don't worry about the "what if" ones or it will drive you crazy.
If you are concerned about missing targets deeper just keep practicing till you get used to the extra noise as you turn it up a bit.
I am so used to that extra noise that hunting on 99 sense and thresh 7 was actually quite normal for me in the middle of the park where I could turn it up like this.
Lots of noise, sure, but not an unmanageable amount unless I switched to SL, and I was still able to hear the solid, repeating tones and find targets including this 14" deep one.
I believe that probably 90% of what we look for is 6" or less in depth, more less, actually, and most of the rest of that percentage probably won't be much more than 8" or so.
Probably a few, but we can't find absolutely everything and we can't ever dig everything, either.
Just hit your comfort range and cruise and enjoy yourself.
Push your boundaries a bit if you like, I tend to crash right through them but for me that is fun, for others not so much.
It's a hobby, not a job,
Don't worry...be happy, just like the song.
 
Nice post.

I have always heard the F70 will really give any unit out there a run for the money...
 
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