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MOCKING THE BIBLE:sadwalk:
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And I speak with some experience on this matter. I was not raised in a particularly religious household, as undoubtedly many in the audience were. My father, who returned to Kenya when I was just two, was born Muslim but as an adult became an atheist. My mother, whose parents were non-practicing Baptists and Methodists, was probably one of the most spiritual and kindest people I've ever known, but grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion herself. As a consequence, so did I.
It wasn't until after college, when I went to Chicago to work as a community organizer for a group of Christian churches, that I confronted my own spiritual dilemma.
I was working with churches, and the Christians who I worked with recognized themselves in me. They saw that I knew their Book and that I shared their values and sang their songs. But they sensed that a part of me that remained removed, detached, that I was an observer in their midst.
And in time, I came to realize that something was missing as well -- that without a vessel for my beliefs, without a commitment to a particular community of faith, at some level I would always remain apart, and alone.
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.
He also said in the same speech---
But, you know, my Bible tells me that if we train a child in the way he should go, when he is old he will not turn from it. So I think faith and guidance can help fortify a young woman's sense of self, a young man's sense of responsibility, and a sense of reverence that all young people should have for the act of sexual intimacy.
and
But what I am suggesting is this - secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause. So to say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
As for the video - I think who ever made is a bigot as he took it totally out of context and edited it - leaving things out. The speech was very long and he said many things some of which I disagree with also. But as Christians we need to be fair minded and honest not using lies and deceiving words which are the devils tools. We need to convince with love, not hate.
Hey I got an idea. Lets elect Jesus, I think He's the best. The rest of us are messed up anyway. For all have sinned.
Any way I am not going to cast the first stone. Are you?
It wasn't until after college, when I went to Chicago to work as a community organizer for a group of Christian churches, that I confronted my own spiritual dilemma.
I was working with churches, and the Christians who I worked with recognized themselves in me. They saw that I knew their Book and that I shared their values and sang their songs. But they sensed that a part of me that remained removed, detached, that I was an observer in their midst.
And in time, I came to realize that something was missing as well -- that without a vessel for my beliefs, without a commitment to a particular community of faith, at some level I would always remain apart, and alone.
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.
He also said in the same speech---
But, you know, my Bible tells me that if we train a child in the way he should go, when he is old he will not turn from it. So I think faith and guidance can help fortify a young woman's sense of self, a young man's sense of responsibility, and a sense of reverence that all young people should have for the act of sexual intimacy.
and
But what I am suggesting is this - secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause. So to say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
As for the video - I think who ever made is a bigot as he took it totally out of context and edited it - leaving things out. The speech was very long and he said many things some of which I disagree with also. But as Christians we need to be fair minded and honest not using lies and deceiving words which are the devils tools. We need to convince with love, not hate.
Hey I got an idea. Lets elect Jesus, I think He's the best. The rest of us are messed up anyway. For all have sinned.
Any way I am not going to cast the first stone. Are you?
SEMPERFI61
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OBAMA WITH OUT A DOUBT IS A MUSLIM AT HEART.WHEN HE WAS SWORN IN HE REFUSED THE BIBLE AND USED ONLY THE KORAN.GO FIGURE.
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HI Bill,
I cannot get the video's to work for me, so was unable to know what it is all about! I'm sure Obama is a Muslim and he won't get my vote! I just read that Hillary's name is in the nomination.....I guess for VP! I guess he wants the votes from the ones following her.....but Oh God have mercy upon us all, if either one or both get in office! Sooooo, save those who will be saved and then Come Quckly, Lord Jesus!
God Bless!
Betty
I cannot get the video's to work for me, so was unable to know what it is all about! I'm sure Obama is a Muslim and he won't get my vote! I just read that Hillary's name is in the nomination.....I guess for VP! I guess he wants the votes from the ones following her.....but Oh God have mercy upon us all, if either one or both get in office! Sooooo, save those who will be saved and then Come Quckly, Lord Jesus!
God Bless!
Betty
Jim West Pa
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PolitiFact is a project of the St. Petersburg Times and Congressional Quarterly to help you find the truth in the presidential campaign. Every day, reporters and researchers from the Times and CQ will analyze the candidates' speeches, TV ads and interviews and determine whether the claims are accurate.
An anonymous e-mail says Barack Obama took the oath of office for the U.S. Senate on a Koran, the holy book of Islam. We thought it would be odd if that were true, since Obama is a Christian. In fact, it is wrong.
The e-mail also spells the book's name "Kuran," though usually it is spelled Koran or Quran.
Two press reports from Obama's swearing-in ceremony in January 2005 mention specifically that Obama took the oath of office by placing his hand on his own copy of the Bible. The Barack Obama campaign also confirmed that it was a Bible and that the book belonged to Obama. Vice President Dick Cheney, in his role as president of the Senate, administered the oath.
After being raised outside of any particular faith tradition, Obama became a Christian in his mid 20s and is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. (Obama gave what are arguably his most extended remarks on his faith at the "Call to Renewal" religious conference in 2006; read the speech here.)
We suspect this false claim was inspired by the 2007 swearing-in of Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., an American convert to Islam and the first Muslim elected to Congress. Ellison used a Koran that once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, borrowing the rare book from the Library of Congress.
It goes without saying that Ellison is not Obama. And with its intent to inflame, we find the e-mail's allegation not only false, but Pants-on-Fire wrong.
An anonymous e-mail says Barack Obama took the oath of office for the U.S. Senate on a Koran, the holy book of Islam. We thought it would be odd if that were true, since Obama is a Christian. In fact, it is wrong.
The e-mail also spells the book's name "Kuran," though usually it is spelled Koran or Quran.
Two press reports from Obama's swearing-in ceremony in January 2005 mention specifically that Obama took the oath of office by placing his hand on his own copy of the Bible. The Barack Obama campaign also confirmed that it was a Bible and that the book belonged to Obama. Vice President Dick Cheney, in his role as president of the Senate, administered the oath.
After being raised outside of any particular faith tradition, Obama became a Christian in his mid 20s and is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. (Obama gave what are arguably his most extended remarks on his faith at the "Call to Renewal" religious conference in 2006; read the speech here.)
We suspect this false claim was inspired by the 2007 swearing-in of Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., an American convert to Islam and the first Muslim elected to Congress. Ellison used a Koran that once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, borrowing the rare book from the Library of Congress.
It goes without saying that Ellison is not Obama. And with its intent to inflame, we find the e-mail's allegation not only false, but Pants-on-Fire wrong.
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Hi Jamie,
I sure hope and pray that Obama is a true Christian with his heart changed by the washing away of his sins by Jesus pure, shed blood! I still won't vote for him, but if he is one with God, I only wish the best for him, but not as President!
God Bless!
Betty
I sure hope and pray that Obama is a true Christian with his heart changed by the washing away of his sins by Jesus pure, shed blood! I still won't vote for him, but if he is one with God, I only wish the best for him, but not as President!
God Bless!
Betty
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And thank you, Jamie! Hope you and yours are well, happy and doing great in everything, especially 
! Hope you are finding the goodies! 
God Bless!
Betty
! Hope you are finding the goodies! God Bless!
Betty
You absolutely cannot believe everything you read or see on the internet. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Obama fan, but I believe, as Christians, we can't be spreading false stories about anyone, no matter what we think of them. Personally, the guy scares the heck out of me however...
You should use Snopes.com to verify everything you read or see before you take them hook, line and sinker. I think you'll be surprise to find that almost all of them are untrue, or at best partially true. That particular video you posted was so heavily edited (watch all the cuts, it's not continuous) it looked phony the first time I saw it... There are many people out there who have their own agendas and unfortunately some of them are professed Christians.
watch the video at the bottom after you read this web page:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Peace
You should use Snopes.com to verify everything you read or see before you take them hook, line and sinker. I think you'll be surprise to find that almost all of them are untrue, or at best partially true. That particular video you posted was so heavily edited (watch all the cuts, it's not continuous) it looked phony the first time I saw it... There are many people out there who have their own agendas and unfortunately some of them are professed Christians.
watch the video at the bottom after you read this web page:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Peace
SEMPERFI61
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OBAMA SPENDS 20 YEARS IN A RACIST CHURCH AND AGREEING WITH THE PASTOR ,UNTIL THE PASTOR EMBARASSES HIM--------------THEN OOOPS ALL OF A SUDDEN -----------WHO IS THAT DAT MAN , UHHHHHH HE'S NOT MY PASTOR ANYMORE.GO FIGURE ????