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Modulated verses unmodulated

all iron

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It is my very limited understanding that the delta 4000 has a modulated response to targets ( meaning ) no matter how deep the target, the audio response would be the same.
My other detecter< Omega 8000 does not have this and the deeper the traget the fainter the audio respons may be.

With that being said, what are the pros and cons to a modulated detector.
It seems like this would be a no brainer when it comes to metal detectors ( why wouldn't they all be built with this feature ? )

Looking foward to the responses
Thanks
Al
 
Being modulate makes it easier to see depth. Non make it easier for newbies to not miss them.
 
If it is only to aid in the depth determination of an object.....I dont think that is a very good reason.
The first and most important thing is to find a target, next would be to determine how deep it is :blowup:

More targets are probably missed due to faint signals
 
I think what Bart was trying to say is that the modulated makes it easier to identify deep targets through the audio. Many detectorists only want to go for deep targets. Modulated accelerates the speed/efficency of doing this, without having to resort to a depth meter check on every potentially good target. Plus, the modulated audio goes a bit deeper if one is using good quality headphones. Now if there is alot of noise on the site one is working, that may negate the faint whispers that modulated uses to denote deep coins/targets. IMHO non-modulated is for easy target ID but will not get as deep as the modulated nor give as much audio target information. Its the user's preference as always.
 
I was curious about this too.. Monte says the Delta has a 'saturated" response.. he discussed it here: http://www.findmall.com/read.php?58,1545494,1545942#msg-1545942
 
all iron said:
It is my very limited understanding that the delta 4000 has a modulated response to targets ( meaning ) no matter how deep the target, the audio response would be the same.
To correct you, the Delta uses a saturated audio response. That is, any target that produces sufficient signal response to be processed will be, and at the full audio strength. In short, the audio is saturated to a full-audio level.



all iron said:
My other detecter< Omega 8000 does not have this and the deeper the traget the fainter the audio respons may be.
Correct, and that is a modulated audio response wherein the close targets will produce the loudest or strongest audio and, as the targets distances away from the search coil, the signal strength gets weaker and the audio is now modulated, or diminished, as the target response decreases or weakens in strength.


all iron said:
With that being said, what are the pros and cons to a modulated detector.
It seems like this would be a no brainer when it comes to metal detectors (why wouldn't they all be built with this feature?)
No, I would not like to have all my detectors produce a saturated audio response. There are two reasons why I wouldn't:

1.. For too many decades I have learned and enjoyed a modulated response audio because it can provide more audio definition about the targets size or shape or possible depth. Here I am mainly referring to coin hunting. It lets me hunt a site where I might want to be more attentive to the weaker, and possibly deeper, targets that might be older dated coins.

2.. When I want to hunt in a true Threshold-based All Metal mode I can, but when I work a site in the motion Discriminate mode, I still want to achieve the best depth I possibly can. The modulated audio circuitry usually affords that kind of result.

Why and Why-Not own a model, like the Delta, that uses only a saturated audio? Well, here's the simple good and bad of it:

Good.. I enjoy using my Delta for quick work of typical playground areas, like wood-chip and sand-filled sites, because I want to get all I can and the strong audio response is something I don't mind hearing. Also, when I use the Delta as a loaner the family member or friend, or the property owner who granted permission and is now hunting with me, can easily hear the target response without using headphones. If it was a modulated audio they might have more difficulty hearing weaker signals.

BAD.. When I use it, like any detector I own, I like to get the most performance possible when I am hunting any site where older and/or deeper targets might be. A saturated audio design requires a certain amount of target signal response in order to be 'accepted' and then process to response with the full-strength saturated audio. If the targets is too small or too deep, the signal might not be process and, therefore, I can't get the best depth like I would out of something similar (like an Omega using the d1 or d2 Audio Tone ID option).

Like I always say, there is no such thing as a 'perfect; detector. I like to own a couple (few :) ) that can compliment each other and better fit certain hunting applications.

Monte
 
I started a reply earlier, then got called away for a meeting and sat back down when I got home and finished. I didn't check for any other replies. My goof!

Monte
 
Well I'm a noob, but I know what your talking about somewhat. I had an iron signal today on my delta that started off faint and seemed to get louder the deeper i dug. I know that the delta uses saturated audio so its not capable of doing this, but I really noticed it in all metal A2 mode. The tone seemed choppy at first yet the Vid was a solid iron signal...the deeper I dug the less choppy the audio signal became. The signal eventually reaches a clean clear tone and then followed by an overload scream if the target is close or big enough. The Vid remains a solid iron signal all the way down.

Another thing I noticed was the delta seemed to id targets quite differently between all metal and discrimination mode. All metal being the most accurate for me. Discrimination mode seems to read a bit off...for example an iron target in disc. mode with Vid of 22-40ish, would read 8-18 in all metal mode. Why this happens or if its just me I don't really know.
 
Gorillajoe said:
I had an iron signal today on my delta that started off faint and seemed to get louder the deeper i dug. I know that the delta uses saturated audio so its not capable of doing this, but I really noticed it in all metal A2 mode.
I prefer to hunt with a modulated audio and, when working a site like you were, especially for gold nuggets, the modulated All Metal mode is the way to go.


Gorillajoe said:
The tone seemed choppy at first yet the Vid was a solid iron signal...the deeper I dug the less choppy the audio signal became. The signal eventually reaches a clean clear tone and then followed by an overload scream if the target is close or big enough. The Vid remains a solid iron signal all the way down.
It's great to hear the differences in audio from 'choppy' or 'weak' or 'broken' types of signals based upon the target size, shape, metal content, depth, position, etc.

Just a quick comment to clearify the use of terminology, the two most used visual display indications we refer to are:

TID = Target ID, such as Iron, Foil, 5
 
Here's what the Teknetics Delta 4000 manual says on page 14..

"In both A1 and A2, all types of metal objects induce a sound which varies in
pitch and volume according to the size of the object and its distance from the
coil. For example, a larger object close to the coil will induce a loud, highpitched tone.
A small object, farther from the coil will induce a lower-pitch lower-volume tone"
 
lol, yeah I did some reading on the .25 acp and one of the story's i read was about a guy who was shot in the face. Apparently the bullet left a nasty bruise but never broke the skin!
If I had my way Id get a semi auto .357 mag w/ longest barrel i could get.

Oh wow, nice work history there Monte

Hey Monte could you pull some strings maybe run the serial number from this pip-squeak? I'm in no way interested in carrying stolen property or a potential murder weapon. If not thanks for sharing your vast knowledge of detectors.

Sundance Industries
Model A-25
.25 auto
serial = 063199
manufactured between 89-2002
 
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