The wife and I hunted for three hours yesterday and found these 3 CW relics with the Omega: iron stirrup, machine goove 54 cal Minie MM# 410 and a 69 cal Musketoon Minie MM# 293. I am now turning the Omega over to my wife and I have added a Tesoro Vaquero as my new relic hunting machine. I still feel the Omega is an outstanding coin machine (especially silver), but not the greatest on lower conductive brass and lead items. It will be great to try them out side by side to compare. I will post and let everybody know the results.
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Mondays CW relic finds with Omega
- Thread starter sekypaleo
- Start date
Hello all, No, I have no plan on posting the side by side comparison here on the Tek forum. Just to let everybody know that I LOVE the Omega (the weight, feel, simplicity) but for a TID machine I have found it to be WAYYYYY unreliable. I posted several months ago my concerns about the TID accuracy, which is an important thing to me when I am coin hunting private yards. Several times I have had readings in the low 90's...only to dig down 7-8 inches and recover pulltabs. was told that that was impossible and my sweep speed was wrong! Sorry, but that ain't it! I have been detecting over 30 years using too many detectors to name. On a recent relic hunt I got a fairly solid reading of 92 and dug a 58 cal minie ball. Now I am not complaining about the find, but why am I seeing lower conductivity targets registering in a TID range that would normally be a silver quarter or half? Other times the minie balls read in a normal range of around 77-82. I have scanned the holes after the target recovery in all metal and there is nothing else to cause the readings. I have attributed this to the moderate mineralization (GB 72) and VERY dry ground. Since I dig everything that beeps while relic hunting I have decided to go back to a Tesoro. But it will be great to have my wife using the Omega alongside me to see how they compare...but I will not post my findings in this forum.
Come on... he didn't go over the line. Sometimes other brands are going to be mentioned in passing. I think the spirit of the "rule" is to not post something dissing Teknetics as junk compared to brand X.
Teknetics does not need to be over-protected to the point where no one can even mention the name of another detector or give a simple opinion. Teknetics is cutting edge, no doubt about that... it can take a little heat and remain cool as a cucumber.
I'm probably wrong... (it is only my opinion)... but this sort of thing always makes me thing someone feels that a detector needs to be protected, that it cannot stand on its own. However I am sure that the "rule" is there to discourage flame wars (like it says)... and isn't meant to be a "zero tolerance" public school rule that becomes stupid because no one can moderate things.
Lets leave rule enforcement to the mods... i'm sure they know when to step in.
Now... you can delete my post, as I am sure it needs it.
J
Teknetics does not need to be over-protected to the point where no one can even mention the name of another detector or give a simple opinion. Teknetics is cutting edge, no doubt about that... it can take a little heat and remain cool as a cucumber.
I'm probably wrong... (it is only my opinion)... but this sort of thing always makes me thing someone feels that a detector needs to be protected, that it cannot stand on its own. However I am sure that the "rule" is there to discourage flame wars (like it says)... and isn't meant to be a "zero tolerance" public school rule that becomes stupid because no one can moderate things.
Lets leave rule enforcement to the mods... i'm sure they know when to step in.
Now... you can delete my post, as I am sure it needs it.
J
jbow said:
You're absolutely right Julien, I probably over reacted but the comparison thing is one thing that appeals to me about this forum..... I've seen certain forums where comparisons have led to "flame wars" as you called it and it does get bothersome when everyone wants to read or post about the tech side of their particular brand. But you always have some that tend to get on these forums for just that purpose only.... Most comparisons are almost always unfair & biased and once it starts it never ends. I wasn't right for jumping on the podium like that and for that & I apologize. It's not up to me to do that.
Have a nice day....
No apology needed...I understand the rules and why...but I gotta agree with jbow in that if the forum can't take the mention of another brand then it seems that they are afraid to be compared. Any comparison I will do will be very fair...as I said I really like the Omega...thing is though, i want to LOVE it, but these crazy TID numbers I can't understand.
I said 'commenting' and not 'comparison' as in a field review, etc. I'm in my 46th year of detecting and as an avid detectorist I've used most of what is, or has been, on the market. Thus, it's only natural to 'comment' based upon experience. That, and the simple fact that there is no 'perfect' detector made. They all have strengths and weaknesses, just some are heavier on one side than the other. 
I considered the Gamma, but after using the T2 and wanting a better 'coin hunting' detector I moved up from thinking about the Gamma to buying the Omega. Also, the Omega provides me with 4 different audio tone options, in the Discriminate mode, and I prefer to use the d2 and d4 most of the time based upon the site I am working and what I am after. In addition, they are pleasant with regard to my hearing ability.
The Vaquero can be clicked into an All Metal mode, but I find the 3
Very good finds and I'm sure that site and others you get to hunt will hold more rewards for your efforts.sekypaleo said:
The Tesoro Vaquero does have noted performance and success records for relic hunters. It is a plain, non-display model and has some okay functions. I've owned two and parted with them for a couple of reasons. One, they were the standard lower-tone version and with my hearing I found the high-tone Vaqueros sounded better .. for ME. At the time I parted with the ones I had I went back to using a couple of White's models which have proven to be great detectors for me. They still are performers, but I think I am aging faster than the old coins and artifacts we're after and felt a need to lighten things up a bit. I do like a light weight detector most of the time, and all of the Teknetics models are.sekypaleo said:
I considered the Gamma, but after using the T2 and wanting a better 'coin hunting' detector I moved up from thinking about the Gamma to buying the Omega. Also, the Omega provides me with 4 different audio tone options, in the Discriminate mode, and I prefer to use the d2 and d4 most of the time based upon the site I am working and what I am after. In addition, they are pleasant with regard to my hearing ability.
The Vaquero can be clicked into an All Metal mode, but I find the 3
Great post Monte. I hope this post will not be NOT to be construed as a comparison...just comments.Wife and I went out today to our local CW site. I set the two detectors up as close as possible disc and sensitivity wise. Truthfully...I prefered the Omega. Yes, I found that the Vaquero does go a little deeper (about 1" deeper with the Vaquero set up with sens in the middle of the red zone and the Omega at 95, about 2-3 inches deeper with the V supertuned)...BUT the Omega ran smoother in the small iron trashy areas, The V falsed quite a bit..ghosting signals everywhere. I suspect using the 11"DD coil would put the depth on the same level.
TID numbers still very strange...3 times i got a good signal with the V and when my wife checked with the Omega, the numbers were solid low 80's...and all three times the target was a large shotgun hull about 4-5 inches down. Other times the shotgun hulls were normal readings in the 50-60's. One minie ball at 6 inches was reading low 90's. Later another minie at 3" read the correct solid 77-78. I knew it was a minie before digging. My wife did not like using Vaquero.
Final count> me using the V: one fired minie, one dropped Enfield
Wife using Omega: one dropped minie, one fired minie, one ornate hinge and a wheat penny.
If this seems to be inappropriate then a mod can feel free to delete.
TID numbers still very strange...3 times i got a good signal with the V and when my wife checked with the Omega, the numbers were solid low 80's...and all three times the target was a large shotgun hull about 4-5 inches down. Other times the shotgun hulls were normal readings in the 50-60's. One minie ball at 6 inches was reading low 90's. Later another minie at 3" read the correct solid 77-78. I knew it was a minie before digging. My wife did not like using Vaquero.
Final count> me using the V: one fired minie, one dropped Enfield
Wife using Omega: one dropped minie, one fired minie, one ornate hinge and a wheat penny.
If this seems to be inappropriate then a mod can feel free to delete.
If you're referring to the 11" BiAxial DD on the Omega, then it might show a difference in performance. I haven't compared it yet against a few Tesoro and Garrett models a dealer has. Instead, I just rely on the stock concentric 10" elliptical coil against the other models w/stock coil and I find he Omega to perform quite well.sekypaleo said:
"Normal" readings? Did you check the shotgun hulls after they were recovered? I intentionally search some old hunting sites and can find a variety of bases with assorted readings. Yes, many fall in a certain range, but not all of them.sekypaleo said:
Even with bullets and such I don't consider them all to fall in a "correct" VDI range. Many, yes. All of them, no.sekypaleo said:
Isn't it great that we all have some personal biases? I preferred the Bandido IIsekypaleo said:
don't know what I was thinking...... 
Hi Jay... I apologize.
I shouldn't have said anything like that. I know you meant no harm. I let something carry over from another forum and I shouldn't have. I've had trouble learning another detector (V3) and the attitudes of some on the forum there have soured me a little more on the thing... I think I am going to sell it, the Omega is so much easier and more fun to use anyway... and I know what the terms for settings mean with the Omega.... and I want a G2 anyway, so I need ot sell something....
Anyway... sorry.
JB
I shouldn't have said anything like that. I know you meant no harm. I let something carry over from another forum and I shouldn't have. I've had trouble learning another detector (V3) and the attitudes of some on the forum there have soured me a little more on the thing... I think I am going to sell it, the Omega is so much easier and more fun to use anyway... and I know what the terms for settings mean with the Omega.... and I want a G2 anyway, so I need ot sell something....
Anyway... sorry.
JB