Monte's decisions of when I DO and DO NOT use much discrimination, and how I hunt sites with iron trash, as well as hunt around bricks, rocks, and dir

[Monte]

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Monte's decisions of when I DO and DO NOT use much discrimination, and how I hunt sites with iron trash

I often read all sorts of reports on many forums as they pertain to how this or that make and model detector and coil might or might not handle rejection of iron nails while responding to a US coin. Sometimes, they are "interesting" because the poster has made information available about the level of discrimination used and other beneficial info. That's good because too often these "tests" are conducted with too much discrimination and that taints the final results.

However, while there can be some interest, there are certain far more useless bits of information omitted. For example, a small coin, like a thin 10

 

[Smooth23]

I'm sorry, this is probably going to be a really silly, really day-1 sort of question, but as a new owner of an Omega I am clueless. What is meant by 2-tone audio ID? I keep hearing this referred to on this and other forums, and it just doesn't register in my little brain. The omega is a vastly different and far more technical of a machine than the ace250 I'm used to.

 

[John LA]

n/t

 

[dioramix]

in Omega
it is best to use a notch, and after the

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Monte that's a long post, I think it could use a few more pictures

All kidding aside that's good info, and all these tests being posted here are great, and illustrate interesting points, but as you and several others have pointed out rarely do they represent real world hunting conditions.

I can say that using my F75 LTD, which I usually have set with the disc at 0 or 7, and sensitivity as high as it'll go without driving me mad, I've found many times when I've gotten a good coin signal and pulled one or more nails out of the hole....thinking to myself that's weird, but then scanning the hole again the coin signal is still present and sure enough further digging reveals a coin was in fact there among the nails.

Happy hunting,
Brian

 

[lafatlife]

I'm sorry, this is probably going to be a really silly, really day-1 sort of question, but as a new owner of an Omega I am clueless. What is meant by 2-tone audio ID? I keep hearing this referred to on this and other forums, and it just doesn't register in my little brain. The omega is a vastly different and far more technical of a machine than the ace250 I'm used to.

On the omega you can choose to hear up to 4 different tones while swinging. He is referring to using just 2 tones, high and low with low being iron and high basically being everything else.

 

[Monte]

I was, as wordy and long as it is, simply clarifying that many detectors can't reject an iron nail and respond to a covered coin, or some models might, but still only in limited fashion.

Yes, it takes more rejection to eliminate a nail length-wise and the target masking is certainly worse.

Yes, it is fine to hunt with "common" or "average" Discrimination as long as you're comfortable with the facts that you're going to have more good-target masking, as well as hear and deal with ferrous junk very much.

Yes, this is a FUN sport and we should all strive to keep it fun in the way we approach it. Very simple.

Yes, iron junk is annoying. No, you can't find all good target unless you completely rid a site of ferrous trash. Yes, I most often hunt so that I hear the ferrous, or very minimally hear bigger iron, but that's just me and my approach to success.

Do I sometimes use complete Iron rejection? Yes, but possibly no more than 5 times in any given year. Iron nails is the most, if that much.

My post was simply intended to help all of us get an idea how others might set their detector(s) up for success. You methods of settings are what you like and I can appreciate that.

There are some good detectors out there from some competitors, to be sure. Some I have relied on heavily over many years and have been successful. Today, FTP will have to so something really amazing with a new model to get me to change from the Omega and T[size=small][sup]2[/sup][/size] I use, in that order. They are light, great battery life, ease-of-operation, and they are simply excellent performers. Best of success to all of you.

Monte

 

[earthmansurfer]

Monte that's a long post, I think it could use a few more pictures

All kidding aside that's good info, and all these tests being posted here are great, and illustrate interesting points, but as you and several others have pointed out rarely do they represent real world hunting conditions.

I can say that using my F75 LTD, which I usually have set with the disc at 0 or 7, and sensitivity as high as it'll go without driving me mad, I've found many times when I've gotten a good coin signal and pulled one or more nails out of the hole....thinking to myself that's weird, but then scanning the hole again the coin signal is still present and sure enough further digging reveals a coin was in fact there among the nails.

Happy hunting,
Brian

So, you got a good coin signal. Do you also mean the TDI said coin? What was the TDI at around?

 

[earthmansurfer]

Monte (others)

Usually there is so much iron in where I hunt that I have a problem even finding a place to ground balance. There is no way I can check signals below 40 to see if they are coins. Are you saying that in thick iron you are able to differentiate between coins and iron? I guess you might be saying that iron that comes in above 21 on the T2 could be investigated further? That still would leave me with waaaay too much iron.

I've been playing more with checking signals that are above iron but right next to it, and just about all of those are not good targets. For the time I spend it's not yet worth it as I'm still pulling coins from the park. I guess I'll still try and experiment but it's too much of a headache right now.

Thx

 

[Monte]

Usually there is so much iron in where I hunt that I have a problem even finding a place to ground balance. There is no way I can check signals below 40 to see if they are coins. Are you saying that in thick iron you are able to differentiate between coins and iron? I guess you might be saying that iron that comes in above 21 on the T2 could be investigated further? That still would leave me with waaaay too much iron.

Where I usually hunt the primary IRON trash is a nail or something that is small and similar and easily rejected at about '21' on the T2 or '17' or so on the Omega. Thus, FOR ME, I like to just us a small amount of rejection to deal with my main trash.

Do I hunt sites that have a LOT of iron and can use a higher setting? yes, and if I was plagued like you then I might adjust just to where I reject all ferrous trash. Personally, if it isn't all that bad I like to listen to ferrous (iron) junk so as to pick out a possible near-by good target, plus it lets me know the site is littered so i can slow down and better control my sweep presentation.

I've been playing more with checking signals that are above iron but right next to it, and just about all of those are not good targets. For the time I spend it's not yet worth it as I'm still pulling coins from the park. I guess I'll still try and experiment but it's too much of a headache right now.

Yes, not all "good audio hits" are really desired finds, but I'll take what I can get. If the volume of iron junk is a "headache" as you mentioned, then use the amount of rejection you feel comfortable with and just go have fun.

Monte