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More finds at US Army Hospital site 2ndWW

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stan_moto

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Hello All. Went to the US army hospital site from 2nd ww last Saturday. Detected for about an hour and came across a patch that I was getting multiple signals. After I cleaned up an area about ten feet wide I ended up with twenty eyelets probably from an old tent. I also uncovered a hand full of bottles but only managed to recover two good bottles. One was a Paul
 
Awsome stuff.!!!!:|I love the fact that you found the bottles too. Was it just part of the digging for signals process, or did you do extra digging for the bottles???? I'm still pretty new on this bottle thing, but I love it.
 
:)the alloy over the glass top might be lead. I've also found a few glass tops with lead seals over them. I love the coke bottle. Last time I saw one in an antique shop, they were asking $25.00 for a large one. the smaller ones might be worth more. Milk bottle is nice too. Haven't found too may of those when I've been digging. As for the cutlery, found heaps of those too. Should take a photo of them, and post it! But most were found by digging, a few from detecting. Well, it looks like the US hospital site is still coughing up relics! I love to see them Stan, so kep posting pics of what you find.
Golden
 
Hello Beachguy. The reason I found the bottles was because of the signal I got from the top of the glass bottle stopper. As I was digging for the signal I could feel the shovel hit a bit of glass so I started digging a little wider as from previous experience when you strike a glass you have to be very careful as not to charge in on that spot and cause some of your own damage. Once I find a bottle pit I start using a small garden trowel. Most of these pits are about four foot round and about a foot deep. The servicemen also used to burn in these pits as some of the bottles get melted and smashed a lot. I get a positive signal on the bottle sites as I find clothes buttons, belt buckles and some of the bottles have the tops on so it pays to dig all the signals in case it could lead to something important especially as this is a virgin site. All the best. Stan.
 
Hello Angela. I think you are right that the bottle stopper is covered by a lead alloy material it is an off white colour and feels sort of soft. The amount of cutlery I have found on this site could start me of in the catering business. They may have been covered by a light coat of cheap nickel or silver at one stage and leached out into the ground. It would put you off eating with a copper coloured fork or knife. most are stamped ( Med Dept USA.) All the best. Stan.
 
That's hot stuff Stan. Makes a ton of sense to hit the bottle top because it's metal, then dig the bottles. I guess people used to burn or bury a lot more trash than they do now days. I remember when I was a kid, they still had trash burning fire place dealys. You know, with a chimney and stuff, where they'd burn trash, but I also have found a few trash pits my self in my earlier years and found some bottles that were purple colored. Wish I'd have pursued that more back then. Some of those bottles are worth some bucks. I know the local metal detector club here has some avid bottle collectors as well that shared some of their stuff one night at a meeting, and besides being "really cool looking bottles" they were worth some considerable money. Very interesting prospect, and very good advice on your "prospecting" method of not trying to break the bottles in haste while digging them up. Boy this is a fascinating endeavour, anything to do with treasure hunting, I think.:|
 
about ""leeching into the ground. The word "leeching" I used to use to describe the syanide treatment of gold, when I did tours underground of a gold mine. Did you that there exists a bacteria that actually gobbles up gold, and precipitates or moves the gold from one point in a body of ore to another? And scientisits are looking into "farming" gold? They're found that gold nuggets, when cut in half, appear to have growth rings, like the truck of a tree. And by the growth rings, you can tell the age of these gold nuggets. Just a sideline here. You got me going with that word "leeching". And yes you could use this word in describing the action of metals disintigrating in the soil, and the minerals leeching or seeping through soil or rock.
Golden:detecting::)
 
You're starting to scare me, Golden:( For a minute there, I thought you've been watching the Sci-Fi channel, but I'm amazed at how much you know about this stuff. That's amazing, and kind of scary too, meaning that, if they learn to farm gold, guess what that's gonna do to the price of gold. I hope I'm wrong about that, but that's absolutuly amazing about the bacteria thing and moving the gold around. I know somewhere near Denver, Colorado, they have an actual "mining school", that I guess is still open to go and learn about mining. Boy, that would sure be interesting, but somehow you've picked up a lot of knowledge about this stuff and it's not only fascinating, but must be very helpful in prospecting. Keep it up there Tiger, you've got me running for the hills. The hills of gold that is. I'm starting to get pumped up about this gold thing, and I've got a buddy that is pretty experienced at it. I'm gonna give him a call here pretty soon. He swears he's found quit a bit of it over the fairly recent years. This guy also had a dredge unit, but he also pans for it too, and seems to know a lot about it.
 
that when you do catch up with your friend, ask hm if you can swipe any gold nuggets he has, with the Quattro. Take a pen and paper, and write the readings down for each nugget, listing also the weight of these nuggets, and what they read in at. I've done this with the nuggets we've got at home, so at least if I'm in gold country, in what we call nuggety ground, then I've got an idea on what the Quattro might pick up, while detecting for relics/coins. You know, ask your friend to show you how to pan for gold, it's a lot of fun, and take a vial and a pair of tweezers with you. That way you could pick out any tiny bits of gold, and put it into the vial. He'd know what to do, if he's gone gold before. It's a nice extension of detecting. Think of it, if the Quattro will pick up gold jewelry, then why not some gold? I'v yet to find some with the detector, but I try when I'm "out there".
Golden:detecting::shrug::)
 
HI stan

are you from denver area? I live in arvada and was wondering if there were any places localy in town were they allow metal detecting? i still new at this haven't been out to buy a unit. I wanted to see if there were any spots locally before i go spending alot on a unit.


Koz303 Jim
 
Hello Mirage. Thanks for looking. I am surprised that I still come home with a combination of finds. I am well outside of the central part of the site. I am starting to cover more ground than before to find the coins and relics. Each trip out there I think to my self what the day will bring. When I look over the spot I recon I would have covered around twenty acres in four years and there is plenty of room to look over so there is no time to worry about trying to do the site in a big hurry so I take it steady and through. I alternate between the beach and the US hospital site and the play grounds. All the best. Stan. From down under Australia.
 
That's a great idea Golden. I'm gonna seem him at least at the end of December. He has a place with some land out in the desert and I'll ask him about that. I know gold is a funny thing in that depending on the mixture and type of gold, you can get different readings. I just found a gold pan, my aunt left me in her will, so I think it's time to do this. I'll let you know if I can get any numbers on that or good info. Gee, why do I think I may be gettiing "gold fever" here. There's just something about it, and I don't think it's just the value of the gold, it's the excitement of trying to find it.:|
 
Hey Koz! I used to live in Denver, more in the central part, but I remember there's some really cool looking places to detect. I'm not sure what the rules are over there, but I know there's some really old buildings in Denver. If I were you, I'd certainly look into it, maybe through a local detector club or internet site or something. I'd love to search some places in Denver. You might take a look at Pueblo, and Colorado Springs too. I remember Pueblo had some really old buildings down there. Good luck.
 
Golden & BeachGuy.....you folks have some very interesting takes on gold. I have been involved in gold mining most of my life as assayer and refiner, so I have seen many gold processes. I now spend a lot of time out in the hills here in Arizona finding a bit of coarse gold now and then. It is definitely fascinating!!

I have heard of the bacterial process but my experience has been mostly cyanide heap and vat leach combined with electrolytic reclaiming from the pregnant solutions and chemical precipitation. As I have heard it, the bacteria actually eat the microscopic particles of gold in low-grade ore in a ground ore/water slurry, then the bacteria are filtered out and the resulting powder is processed as a gold concentrate. It evidently works, and with none of the environmental problems of cyanide.

Gold is fun to work with, to prospect for and especially to FIND! Here it is nearly all either microscopic or small flakes and colors. Now and then a nice nugget appears, but not often. I have an MXT which I hear is a decent nugget hunter, but I use a Lobo SuperTraq out in the hills mostly. The Lobo has the depth and sensitivity needed for finding small gold. I'm not sure how the Quattro would do in the same circumstances.

I have a LOT of experience with gold, so any questions I can answer I would be most happy to do so!!

Marc
 
Wow, Gila, that's fascinating. Boy do I have a lot to learn about gold, especially. I just emailed Golden, privately, and was talking to her about sensitivity settings, and I started wondering if the Quatro could detect "small" pieces of gold or not. I've heard that the really "gold specific" as I call them, detectors by Minelab, can pick up very small nuggets, but I don't know how small a target the Quatro could pick up. By the way, now that we're talking about gold, do you think that on the Quatro, that gold comes in at different numbers, or conductivity settings? In my air test experience, it does, anywhere from 7 to a 19 at least. The 19, reading, was a friends ring that was different kinds of gold all in the same ring. Thanks for volunteering your expertise on this.
 
I was thinking, as far as gold reading different numbers, when I swiped the different sized gold nuggets under the Quattro coil, I found that the different number readings seem to be related to the size of the nuggets. For example, the smaller the nuggets, the lower the numeric reading. The bigger the nugget, the higher the numeric reading. But I believe the conductivity of the gold remains the same, despite the differences in the sizes of the gold nuggets. So it would seem that, even though the conductivity of the metal really hasn't changed, the readings do seem to be related to size.
Hello Gila Marc,
I was also thinking that as far as gold and bacterial processes are concerned, this method of using bacteria is being used more and more in Australia, particularly with sulphite ores, instead of the carbon and pulp leeching (cyanide process). We've got plenty of gold nuggets here in Australia, and more to be found. The "Welcome Stranger", and the "Welcome" nuggets both weighed in over 2000 ounces each. As far as how nuggets are formed, there are many theories, and some of these theories are correct, because there's not just one process. Some nuggets are associated with Quartz, but others may be formed using a bacterial process. Recent research in Aussie found that nuggets can grow as quickly as 1 grain of gold in 12 months, which I believe is around 15.4 grains of gold make up about 1 gram of gold. So, a one gram nugget could take up to 15 years to grow. This may explain why seemingly hunted out, or prospected out areas, seem to replenish with small nuggets, and why even though the old timers may have taken all the gold out of an area, why 100 years later, we're finding gold again, in these same areas. Or, after 15 years, the 1 gram nuggets have now grown to two gram nuggets, and our detectors are picking up these nuggets, where they were unreadable before. The 1 gram has grown to 2 grams in weight and size. I believe bacteria deposit their gold where the ground changes condition, which can now be detected, by simple PH testing. This could mean that our methods of detecting will take on new forms, by soil sampling. What do your think Marc? I'd love your imput, thoughts and knowledge on this!
Just some of the stuff I've been keenly trying to learn about over time. Angela:twodetecting::)
 
Angela, you're scaring me to death, by the knowledge you have on this stuff. You really ought to think about writing a book on the subject. I'm not kidding. As far as the gold nugget, size readings, I'm absolutuly stunned at what you're saying here. I don't doubt you because of your integrety and knowledge, but I'm amazed that the size would actually make a difference in the reading. I always thought it was the metal content that determined the reading on a Quatro, but apparently, at least as far as gold is concerned, the size of the target makes a difference in the reading. This is very important stuff, as far as I'm concerned, for anyone looking for nuggets. In other words, if someone thinks: "Gee, I'll just look for these numbers for gold, because, "aunt Margaretts" ring measured a 7, they're not seeing the whole numeric picture here. Thanks for that important information. I just wonder if that's true for copper, silver, and all the rest of the metals as far as the Quatro is concerned, numerically, that is.?
 
One more thing I just thought of Angela, I wonder if the conductivity, or quality of gold of those nuggets that have different readings are the same. I know that when I read a womans wring at one of the urgent care places I deliver to it was (and I'm pretty sure) a 7. When I read my dispatchers multi-gold (different kinds of gold, like white gold and rose gold, etc.) it read a 19. Doesn't sound like your nuggets would be different, depending on the area you found them in, but I wonder. I'm just having trouble with the fact that the size would make the difference in the reading. I always thought it was the conductivity of the target that determined that. Just wondering here. If it's the same quality of gold, i.e. 14 carot, 24 carot. etc, then that would pretty much confirm what your saying about the size making the difference. I don't mean to beat this thing to death, but I think it's important to know if were dealing with the same carot reading of gold. Otherwise, it could read different.
 
Hi, Angela.....thanks for your reply!

I have heard also that most of the bacterial processing research and application has occurred in Australia so far. I, and most of our geologists here, agree that gold is not formed by any single process but at least two, and maybe several. No one that I know personally has seriously considered bacteria as a viable media locally for natural nugget formation, possibly because our ambient soil conditions are not conducive to such. However, it is almost universally agreed that bacterial formation is certainly possible, and bacterial extraction processed are being experimented with on a limited basis.

As I understand it, gold is found in two main locations: primary - the place it originally formed (quartz or ferrous locations, usually) and secondary - placers or other strata where the gold has been deposited later by erosion or other geologic processes. We find gold here in quartz as nuggets or beads & lumps, wires and very rarely octahedral crystals. We also find gold in iron sulphide formations such as pyrite or oxidized hematite. This is (supposedly) because gold is formed as a crystallization byproduct along with quartz, or as a precipitation product due to the gold chloride in a relatively cold solution plating onto the surface of pyrites because of their iron and sulfur interactions with chlorine. That is why we find gold actually INSIDE quartz, but always as plates on the outside of hematite or pyrites. (Whew!)

Because gold is completely reducible by heat alone, any geologic process that makes any gold-containing material molten, regardless of how formed originally, will produce blobs or nuggets of sizes depending on the amount of gold present.

I know very little about the bacterial processes, but I'm very curious to know how it works. I wonder if the little critters actually precipitate it with their body chemistry or just concentrate it by the action of a whole colony. Regardless, it would seem the structure of a nugget built up by bacteria would be different than one created by heat.

Marc
 
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